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this is Jim semivan and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I am

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delighted to be joined as February rolls

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on with his second appearance on the

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podcast a former F-16 pilot and the host

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and creator of his fantastic YouTube

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channel you can find that link in the

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description to the podcast Chris later

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or Chris welcome back to the podcast

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thank you Andy it's great to be here

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well do you know what I thought you had

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been on the podcast a lot more recently

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than you had and when I looked it was

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September 2021 so we'll skip the whole a

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whole year and my plan was always to

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have you back on a lot more regular than

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that it's been busy though

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um it seems like a lifetime ago you've

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thrown yourself head first into the UFO

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topic it's it's your life it seems at

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the moment and you're a busy guy you're

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a family man as well and that later

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files over in YouTube's got almost 80

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000 subscribers they've got a fantastic

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patreon I'm a member of that as well so

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I'm fairly paid up

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um what's that last 15 months been like

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for you

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it like you said it's just been a

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whirlwind so many things yeah even right

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now like today uh I have two more kind

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of videos to edit you know and you know

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one on Mount Wilson another Mount Wilson

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episode and that's from last uh November

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and then an interview I did with the sky

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360 developer uh another video I need to

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uh to edit and get out there so it just

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feels like like you said just so much

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going on so many uh so many Avenues to

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to to leak to go after you know somebody

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leads I guess what kind of folks do you

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get following you so like I'm a nobody

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so I started this podcast and I still do

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it and I shared right it's not changed

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very much but you've got that Pilot's

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background so do you find you get a lot

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of folks from that Community looking at

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you because of your credentials and you

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also get a lot of the UFO community and

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what's that mix of people like that get

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in touch

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yeah it seems like there's kind of a mix

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around three people or three types of

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people you know you have the the UFO

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dedicated people they're just excited to

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action I guess just anything sort of

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different which I think I kind of bring

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to the table

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um so you do have that just dedicated

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UAP enthusiasts you know such as

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yourself and then you get uh I do get a

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little bit of the aviation enthusiasts

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so there are a lot of people that just

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love Aviation yeah they love they love

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flying they love you know fighter jets

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make too many videos

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about that when I didn't when I do make

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videos about it it seems like uh my main

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audience doesn't really uh listen you

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know they're not so interested sure so a

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little smaller swath of that and then

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the third I would say is kind of uh the

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other Avenue I've been pursuing which is

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this uh nature of the universe you know

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kind of scalar theory of the Universe I

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have my own Theory of Everything and so

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that uh that that Avenue is kind of the

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um so I try and put out a video on on

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the theory I really enjoy looking into

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the physics the science you know I think

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there's so much we still don't know

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about the universe and I think we're

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going to find out just so much in the

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next like five years I'm just so excited

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and so so I do try and put out videos on

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that but it seems like about once maybe

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twice a month I get out of video on uh

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on the physics stuff so that's a well

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folks want to hear about of that we

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touched on some of your theories in the

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last interview the first one we've done

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people can go back and check that one

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out this is going to be more head into

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it your opinions your thoughts on on

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some of the goings on now you mentioned

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that Aviation community and more and

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more pilots it seems have begun to come

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out and Report sightings we see more

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recordings and fire requests being done

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by your John greenwalds and such and

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we're hearing these back and forwards

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with radar towers and the long

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Communications did you expect this to

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happen as quickly as it had that more

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um yeah I'm not sure I guess I guess I

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was expecting more data to come from the

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government you know I was expecting at

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least more than one crappy video

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to be put out you know I thought they

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would give us a little bit more and and

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so I would have hoped more pilots would

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have spoken out to be honest but I am

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very excited yeah it

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overall I have to be very happy with it

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you know you have Ben Hansen and

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hypocenter 101 he's investigating this

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so he's another pilot and so he gets all

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working with that then you have Ryan

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Graves so he just had another pilot Mark

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Hulsey on his uh new podcast so Ryan

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new podcast Jeremy Corbell is a new

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podcast yeah so they're coming after us

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um and it's great because when another

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pilot talks to him I feel like um they

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another pilot interviews like Mark

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just watch that interview and now I can

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just analyze the things that he says

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from that you know so I really think

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decentralized investigation you know

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that and that's why I put out a video we

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mosul orb and and basically

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week and put out a video immediately so

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the same week I can get my analysis out

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right this isn't a scientifically

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peer-reviewed paper you know but those

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take months you know look at at the

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information that came out of uapx after

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they're tearing the sky the movie I

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was excellent you know and unfortunately

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think a lot of people maybe some for

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some reason turned off to the initial

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hype on it maybe there's so much hype on

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it and and it couldn't deliver or

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something happened but I ended up

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watching it finally and that was a great

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great movie you know amazing and so I

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think it's great that we have so many

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decentralized Avenues you know Ryan

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while we commute I'm trying to get him

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to come on my show he said he would have

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seen yeah we'll see what happened uh so

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doing his his work right as long as he's

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putting out those interviews that really

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helps it helps the cause you know so I

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can't complain so I'm very happy to see

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all these pilots pilots talking out and

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and I talked to Eric Delgado uh my most

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popular recent video he was basically

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flight 82 uh Captain you know he had 31

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he has 31 years flying 10 years as an

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Air Force tanker pilot and then 21 years

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as a as a Fedex pilot and he has that

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great video of an orb and when I when I

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asked him did you have any negative

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him you know his family was able to

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great time watching watching the show

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yep so I think it can be that's great

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news that Pilots are coming out there's

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no negative effects and they're having a

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good time so I hope we see more of that

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in the future do you know I've never had

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an issue and it's funny some people get

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in touch and they'll see oh all these

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podcasts are too many but the way I see

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it is like going to the supermarket and

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complaining there's too many brands of

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pasta you know like you can you can mix

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and match there's you don't have to

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listen to all of them you can choose

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what you like and there's room for

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everyone and if if all of us and a few

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are different the same person you can

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hear five different interviews with the

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same person and that's that's what I

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enjoy with your channel and but you

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listen to Ryan you hear Jeremy and

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George and what they have done people

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interviews that's what I enjoy and it's

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down to the Kinder presentation and the

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way the shows are formatted so for me

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doesn't clog up you can pick and choose

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enjoyed and especially heating like you

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see it's it's not just another podcast

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information that comes out especially

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George Knapp that we'll get up to a

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little bit later on their muscle orb

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they drop information and it can be hard

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to chase up and that's just even your

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average person on Twitter looking for

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more information on a video data sources

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and unless you get a direct reply from

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Jeremy or George there's nothing for

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months whereas now they've got a conduit

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where on a weekly basis they can come

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back on statements they can come back on

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the criticisms and they can give you

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extra information and people like

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yourself like you say can get videos out

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very high production value videos very

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quickly summarizing this kind of stuff

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as well so I think it's a really rich

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database that's being created just for

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for your average person with an interest

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neural network you know if you look now

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considering your brain and it gets all

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these signals right it gets information

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sends on you know one maybe one signal

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right to the right area and that's how I

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kind of think of myself or or you or any

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of us is I'm receiving all the

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information you know I watch Jeremy

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corbell's you know I watched his mosul

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orb brief you know live as close as I

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could be to live you know and then I I

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talk to you and I and I watch all these

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other things and I bring in like those

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three main kind of thoughts that I that

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I consider and then I create my own you

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know I'm processing it and then I send

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it out as a video right back into the

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network and so now Jeremy Corbell like

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if he comes across my video maybe he'll

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learn something from how I analyzed it

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you know yeah and that allows the

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thousands of people you know tens of

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thousands hundreds of thousands of

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people out there smart people

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to look at this stuff and say no that's

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wrong you know like um on the on the

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Eric Delgado orb capture you know

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basically there's an autofocus issue you

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can see it coming in as a sec every

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second it seems to there's a just an orb

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essentially a light and it expands and

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and and then goes back to a point source

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about every second you know it's

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probably the audio focus

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but you know I'm not a camera expert in

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that in that instance by any means so

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putting that video out there now I get

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thousands and thousands of people to to

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review it so I I see it as a process

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yeah and I think what I find is like

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newer YouTubers

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um

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they seem like we're in competition I

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feel like we're more in direct

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competition it and so they're they seem

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hesitant to like want to come on my show

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or to want to work with me

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um and I that's that's fine but I think

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you you're just they're just hurting

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themselves

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because like you said I think

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collaboration is a better way to go

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right so people that are interested you

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know my followers those 80 000 people

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now

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hopefully some of them will look at

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watch this interview and so they'll see

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you you know and so you'll get some

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exposure to to my audience right and the

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same thing is your followers now if I

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can provide any value to them now I'm

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going to benefit as well and and so yeah

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I really think of it as a rising ship

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and and those of us in the trenches you

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know the UAP like like you said living

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living UAP basically

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um it it appears like it's still

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mainstream and you know everybody's

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talking about it but then just you know

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walk outside to someone you don't know

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and ask them about uaps yeah and chances

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are they're going to look at you with a

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straight blank face okay because they

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have no idea if you look at how many

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people are still spending hundreds of

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millions of dollars on just watching

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other people throw balls through you

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know Nets

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um doing things that I think are are

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very I love sports and I love watching

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all this stuff but it's not going to

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move the needle for civilization you

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know it's not gonna and that's what I

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want I want to move I want to move the

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needle

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uh big time and so that's why we're I

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want to aim for the fences with UAP

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Society I don't want to do like little

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donations here we're going to do this

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you know we're aiming for

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changing the system at a base level you

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know so anyway I'm excited I'm I'm

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looking for collaboration I think the

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more people on the team the better it

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helps and everybody's going to make

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mistakes we just keep aiming for the

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final solution and we'll get there well

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you mentioned Ben Hansen before and Ben

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was on the podcast with myself a little

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later last year talking about some of

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those videos he's been getting through

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from pilots and we are getting reports

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of UFOs circling above Pilots one of the

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issues being they're filming them with

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their cell phones which is great getting

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any film but the quality can be really

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low and poor because we've all been

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there where you see something with the

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naked eye and I was just talking with

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one of the Mifflin directors from

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Southern California last night on the

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podcast what you see with your naked eye

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and then what you film on your phone

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tend to be through very different things

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so you go off with a testimony and any

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extra data we can get the Ben Hansen

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videos early skepticism put these down

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to misidentified starlink satellites and

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I wonder have starlink satellites become

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an issue for Pilots because of the sheer

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volume of them in the sky when they are

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trying to identify what's out there

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yeah this is one of the big key points

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is is there a safety incident and for

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for over four years I was a safety

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investigator you know basically I went

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to crash safety investigation School

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and I I loved it you know and that was

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really where I started where I first was

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able to investigate something you know

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basically to go out find data

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um and I think of it kind of in a

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scientific terms find data about

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something figure out what's wrong

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and then implement the solution right

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and and usually the best solution is not

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procedural right best solution is you

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you engineer out the part you know

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that's a scent you engineer out the

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issue if that's the best way you can get

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but that's very difficult to happen so

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initially at the beginning it's all just

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procedural right so if there's lights in

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the sky you know don't crash into the

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you know they'll just tell you something

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as far as the star link

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um for safety reporting

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I think the best thing is like you kind

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of mentioned with Jeremy Corbell and

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getting information out right is is

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really about

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speeding up the information flow between

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the reporters and you know the pilots

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that are out there and

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uh and all the ATC situations everyone

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involved the more INF the faster that

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information gets dispersed then the

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safer it will be right in this case I

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don't think you have any real safety

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issues because the starlink satellites

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are you know hundreds of miles above the

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Earth

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and so there's no actual immediate

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threat there's no deconfliction issue

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right that's your main problem in

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Airlines is running into something else

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or hitting the ground that's that's your

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biggest issue like you know 95 of the

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time is just avoiding hitting anything

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in this case you're never going to hit

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the starlink satellites okay with an

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aircraft so there's no immediate safety

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threat the only possible threat could be

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the pilot essentially

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I don't know thinks he's gonna get hit

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by another plane or something and then

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does some aggressive reactionary

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maneuver I mean in a commercial plane

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you can't even do that initially right I

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mean in a fighter very quickly yeah you

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can run the plane into the ground or do

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something dangerous but for for that

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reason fighter pilots like for me I

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don't move like if some if I hear a loud

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noise I freeze you know literally I've

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just been trained not to not to do

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anything without thinking you know

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that's kind of the fighter pilot

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training so in this case I don't think

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there's any safety issue right so what I

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see is the pilots would actually be

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looking outside more right because what

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are your normal commercial pilots doing

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is probably just reading a book or

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watching a movie or something up there

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you know I hate to I hate to break

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everybody's bubble but everyone's bubble

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but you know the planes fly themselves

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the pilots are there as safety observers

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essentially and to do the taxing on the

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ground right the AI hasn't really solved

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It On The Ground

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um taxing answering Radio Calls Etc

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but as far as just the plane making sure

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it doesn't hit anything it's going to

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take care of itself as long as the

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pilots don't do something crazy so the

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whole starlink thing in summary I think

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it's good I really think it's good that

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our Pilots are interested in looking

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outside

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because that's what you want because

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that all the time like we made fun of

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the new uh F-15 Pilots when they came on

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board because they would just head down

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they had this amazing radar but they

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would just be looking down into the into

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the cockpit right and you could see

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their plane with your eyes and you would

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just go and shoot them you know so

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I think uh it's it's good that they're

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looking outside more reporting is better

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so what will happen is and I've seen

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this multiple times right let's say you

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have a safety issue okay so I had to go

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I had to investigate uh bird strikes and

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there was an Airfield in southern Spain

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um and so I went to the investigate

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right they had um c5s so heavy aircraft

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would come through and they were getting

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bird strikes

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but what was happening is it wasn't

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being reported so they weren't being

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reported the issue was there but it

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wasn't being reported right so on on

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paper everything's fine

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right everything's fine on paper but

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once you start investigating it what

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happens is the number of reports goes up

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obviously right because now you're

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counting so that you're actually

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assessing okay now the reports went up

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so on paper what happens oh man

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look at this issue where we're having a

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rapid increase in bird strikes

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um no you're just actually seeing what's

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out there you're actually taking account

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of what's actually out there

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so that could be the more pilots that

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know about these starlink the more

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pilots that are actually looking outside

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then we should expect more accounts

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right we should expect more accounts of

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these lights in the sky okay so we will

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have more people reporting starlink

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satellites as unknowns

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but this is a good thing so that is a

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good thing that's how you raise your

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numbers raising your safety numbers is

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looked down upon by people that don't

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understand the system right but the

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first thing to to solving a problem and

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to reducing the the accident potential

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is is getting data about it right

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understanding the problem and so I think

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you'll see our numbers go up which

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people say oh you know we're wasting

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Pilots time it's like no man Pilots have

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plenty of time up there they have plenty

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of time we need them looking outside

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maybe taking photos so you mentioned One

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camera even a crappy camera right

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but if you get two cameras so if there's

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another plane and they also film it now

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even with two crappy cameras we can get

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an angle and now we can start actually

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figuring out so any data is good I'd say

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use cell phone cameras that's great

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amazing if any you know actual

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photographers out there are pilots then

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you know bring some better Zoom cameras

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and share the information

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what's that like being a pilot and

546
00:18:57,890 --> 00:18:55,740
seeing ordinary folks critiquing

547
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,900
critiquing Pilot's ability to observe

548
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,760
what they're saying because you see a

549
00:19:02,090 --> 00:19:01,440
lot of that online

550
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:02,100
um

551
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,280
what what is fair criticism because is

552
00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:06,720
it easier for a pilot to still

553
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:09,960
misidentify so much in the sky I think

554
00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:12,780
myself I've always had the idea that you

555
00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:14,460
know watching Top Gun Top Gun Maverick

556
00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:16,140
great movie by the way

557
00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:18,299
um people like yourself are the creme de

558
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:19,559
La Creme of you know what you're looking

559
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,620
at and if a balloon flies past you or

560
00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:24,240
it's you know a satellite in the sky

561
00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:26,820
you're gonna know but is that always the

562
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,370
no I guess

563
00:19:39,169 --> 00:19:36,590
kind of what I mentioned on on being a

564
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,179
pilot is that you I'm trained as a

565
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,799
fighter pilot in particular right I was

566
00:19:45,409 --> 00:19:43,200
trained to not move and it's funny

567
00:19:48,049 --> 00:19:45,419
because you know and I've kind of broken

568
00:19:50,330 --> 00:19:48,059
it after a couple years but a glass will

569
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:50,340
fall off the counter and my wife will

570
00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:52,140
just boom catch it immediately like

571
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:54,600
quick reaction and I don't I just watch

572
00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:58,080
it you know and so that went away and

573
00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:59,460
now I can catch you know I've kind of

574
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,500
broken that habit

575
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:03,840
um but the point is is that you it's

576
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:06,539
humans flying planes right so a good

577
00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:07,799
pilot

578
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:09,480
I think they're good because they

579
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,220
understand and they've been trained over

580
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:13,919
years and years tons of training that

581
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:16,140
they are human and that they have all of

582
00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:18,660
those limitations yep that's the biggest

583
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,299
thing so on every flight I misidentified

584
00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:24,000
something every flight and the other

585
00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:26,820
thing is I never trust my eyes fully and

586
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,500
I also learned that and I never trust my

587
00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:30,000
flight lead fully

588
00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:32,100
this is the other thing is

589
00:20:36,049 --> 00:20:34,260
you know everybody wanted to be like the

590
00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:36,059
best pilot I want to be the guy that no

591
00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:38,160
one's afraid to leave to follow right no

592
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,539
one's afraid to follow that guy in a

593
00:20:43,789 --> 00:20:42,120
comment and for my part I'm like no no I

594
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,799
don't want that you know I want you to

595
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,840
be afraid right I want you to be

596
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:47,340
slightly afraid I don't want you to

597
00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:49,260
trust everything I do or say why would

598
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,900
you possibly do that what if I run us

599
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:53,700
into a wall

600
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,340
um and that happens so the the point is

601
00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:58,320
that and that's what and you will see

602
00:21:02,510 --> 00:20:59,940
that happen you can look back at many

603
00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:02,520
plane crashes and because again I was a

604
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,960
safety officer and what will happen is

605
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,720
the crew usually if it's a crew they

606
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:08,820
will just trust the the lead pilot and

607
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,880
not uh not question his actions right

608
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:13,919
and that lead pilot if he believes

609
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:16,140
everything he says if he believes

610
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,179
everything is biological systems telling

611
00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:20,880
them that can lead to you know all these

612
00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:22,860
terrible crashes you see

613
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:25,380
so I would say um

614
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,559
I think their words are should be uh

615
00:21:33,289 --> 00:21:30,780
listened to you know people do

616
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:33,299
misidentify things Pilots do misidentify

617
00:21:36,770 --> 00:21:34,080
things

618
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,780
we're all human at the end of the day

619
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:37,919
but

620
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:40,500
you should take the aggregate of

621
00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:44,159
at some point it there's so many Pilots

622
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,679
saying it and all these Pilots have been

623
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:48,780
trained in all those things so we should

624
00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:50,580
take into account the the seasoned

625
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:53,460
Pilots the experienced Pilots know

626
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:55,380
that they misidentified things just

627
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,760
because they've done it so many times

628
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,039
you know is that plane turning towards

629
00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:00,960
me no it's turning away okay thank you

630
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:02,460
is that playing that plane's turning

631
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,900
away oh my God it's turning towards me

632
00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:05,039
I'm going to die you know that's

633
00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:07,020
literally uh what it is so after a few

634
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:08,760
of those enough of those incidents you

635
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:10,200
learn to not trust what you're seeing

636
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,940
and so I would say the good Pilots are

637
00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:14,400
very hesitant to say I know exactly what

638
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:16,200
that was

639
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,600
um so yeah and what we need to be aware

640
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,640
of as well is it's better to have Pilots

641
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,740
reporting

642
00:22:27,529 --> 00:22:25,679
more and more cases that we can solve

643
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:27,539
and can put down to bersaic explanations

644
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:29,880
to get to the ones that aren't as easily

645
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,100
explained otherwise we get them going

646
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:33,840
back into the shadows and people not

647
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:35,820
wanting to report you know the the whole

648
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:38,340
stigma being reduced seems to be really

649
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:40,140
a real thing we don't want that to go

650
00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:41,820
back do we because like you say then we

651
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,039
don't get the volume of reports so it's

652
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,320
all very well the UFO report came out in

653
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,299
I know with Julian Barnes and his New

654
00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:50,100
York Times article focused heavily on

655
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,679
well 53 of those were actually solved

656
00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:56,159
negating the fact 47 weren't and even

657
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,820
even that 47 let's be fair 40 of those

658
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,400
again probably still can be solved down

659
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,500
the line with something much more

660
00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:06,480
terrestrial we're still probably looking

661
00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:09,059
at a five or seven percent of wow that

662
00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:11,159
really is unexplainable and that's the

663
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:13,080
interesting stuff isn't it

664
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:15,900
exactly yeah in order to actually find

665
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:18,900
the cause of of an accident is you need

666
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,380
to start increasing your numbers

667
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,059
you need to actually start Gathering

668
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:27,179
data so so higher numbers is indicative

669
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:30,360
of more investigation right that the

670
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,820
more people that know about starlink and

671
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,559
the more people that can accurately

672
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:36,299
identify it you know the more pilots

673
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:38,039
that know hey oh wait what are those

674
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:39,179
crazy lights over there oh that's

675
00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:40,860
starlink because I watch this video on

676
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:41,640
it

677
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,880
you know so the more of those events

678
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,640
the better and and again I think that's

679
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,380
decentralized

680
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,620
science you know you know I'm not

681
00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:57,240
talking to Ben at all you know once in a

682
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:58,740
while we we commute but he's

683
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:01,380
investigating Pilots he's asking about

684
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:03,000
these and he's putting it online you

685
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:04,140
know so that's another data point

686
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:06,900
another data point so yeah I think it's

687
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:08,520
great to get more data points what we

688
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:09,960
need we need the Pilots looking outside

689
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,539
they're they're out there the most

690
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,880
right you know there you have thousands

691
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,200
and thousands and thousands you know

692
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,940
Matt if you look at flight radar how

693
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,500
many little planes are flying around at

694
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:21,780
any one point any time it's it's amazing

695
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:24,179
so if you think about those are trained

696
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:25,559
observers up there

697
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,059
and most of the time they're just

698
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:29,280
watching TV it would be awesome if they

699
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,780
were looking outside I think it'd be

700
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:32,940
great if we could you know mobilize that

701
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:34,740
I hope no one's listening to that right

702
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:37,020
now on a flight and they're looking down

703
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,820
down the aisle towards the cockpit

704
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:40,320
thinking is my pilot watching a movie

705
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:42,299
well we're up here and like you're

706
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:45,240
saying Chris they probably are so

707
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,220
same with me I was looking outside more

708
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:50,159
for you now I look outside on this last

709
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,659
flights I was on you know I'm still

710
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,820
reading but then I look outside for a

711
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:55,679
while you know and I'm trying to see so

712
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,000
just think about

713
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,559
the more people that know about this

714
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,960
stuff now we have you know hundreds of

715
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:01,919
thousands of people on commercial

716
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,679
flights now we have tons of Observers

717
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,960
you know so once the data gets up high

718
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:08,700
enough and then if we're still like

719
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,580
still not finding anything anomalous

720
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,440
then it'd be like okay you know we need

721
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:15,600
to dial down maybe there is nothing I

722
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:18,120
you know I'd be surprised but

723
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:20,039
I'll tell you about F anytime in the

724
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:21,720
future someone is listening to this and

725
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,159
they're on a flight send me a picture of

726
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
you on the flight and I'll send you a

727
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:26,159
t-shirt for the podcast right no matter

728
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,720
how far in a future that is if this

729
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:29,640
podcast even still going

730
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:31,020
um a story that broke now we're

731
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,460
recording this Chris and it's not going

732
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,380
to go out till closer to mid-February

733
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,440
it's the 3rd of February and just last

734
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:39,600
night overnight a story broke that there

735
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,779
was a first a UFO sighting over Montana

736
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,419
I don't know if you've seen this

737
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,679
um basically there's a video of someone

738
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:48,240
filming the moon and saying no there's

739
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,100
the moon and they put the camera way

740
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:51,960
over to the left and there's a very big

741
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:54,600
bright light just sitting in the sky

742
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:57,299
it turns out and the Pentagon has

743
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,120
confirmed it was a Chinese spyballing

744
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,340
so this has basically came out in the

745
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:03,900
last eight to ten hours during the night

746
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,640
here in the UK you're based on Portugal

747
00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:07,260
so we're on the same time zone so it was

748
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,179
like early early morning and I just

749
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:11,520
wonder we've now got some very close

750
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,100
images of it how common is it do you

751
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,039
think that we have not just in the UK or

752
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:19,200
Portugal or particularly I'm guessing

753
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,460
the US

754
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,500
Ford and Technology

755
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,720
in the skies that people just

756
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,220
potentially misidentify but how common

757
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,320
is that they've got these spy balloons

758
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,539
and whatnot just there

759
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:33,059
I mean over the mainland of U.S I

760
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,100
haven't heard of anything

761
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,159
honestly because there's satellites

762
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,039
you know so you can't stop a satellite

763
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,220
from overflying the U.S yep you know and

764
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:45,600
it's legal

765
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:48,659
so it seems much easier to do that

766
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,500
rather than fly in a Chinese uh balloon

767
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,179
space balloon that can be obviously

768
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,159
picked up and identified you know so

769
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,500
this I actually I do as we as I was

770
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,299
walking in I saw a headline for that you

771
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:01,919
know the Chinese uh

772
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:03,659
uh spibelin

773
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,140
which makes sense right I'm sure we have

774
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:09,299
systems you know nor again you have

775
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:10,740
satellites so

776
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:12,779
what would this five balloon do that you

777
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:14,039
know a satellite could it's going to

778
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,779
give you continuous coverage in that

779
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,799
area

780
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,600
you know sustained coverage rather than

781
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,820
just just flying by so

782
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:23,760
I've actually curious now look as we La

783
00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:25,559
we launched a space balloon you know for

784
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,080
the UAP society

785
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:30,960
and as a it was a weather balloon and

786
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,460
basically

787
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:34,559
from what I understand every kind of

788
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,260
medium-sized weather facility in the

789
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,480
world I'm guessing releases weather

790
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,720
balloons almost every day yep so so

791
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:43,860
you're going to have a lot of these

792
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,779
weather balloons out there flying around

793
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,760
thousands of them

794
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,860
which is surprising I didn't see more as

795
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,799
a pilot you know I did yeah I did see a

796
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,600
couple but but that's it

797
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,640
so there are thousands of thousands of

798
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,559
these flying around so it would make

799
00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,000
sense if you were you know foreign

800
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,179
adversary to make a a weather balloon

801
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,640
but it has other sensors on it and and

802
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,200
then just disguise it as a weather

803
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:08,880
balloon you know I'm sure that's been

804
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,919
done

805
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,140
um so yeah I don't know off the borders

806
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:15,000
for sure I think off the borders you you

807
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:16,440
know there's always but we always we're

808
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:18,059
told that there's you know Chinese

809
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,400
fishing vessels Etc anything could be

810
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,380
over the oceans so in international

811
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:24,419
waters but that's the first time I've

812
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:26,340
heard Overland some sort of foreign

813
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,179
system

814
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:29,340
and it seems like a old-school

815
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:31,020
technology is available in but like you

816
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,299
say it does have its advantages

817
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:35,279
um over a satellite but you'd think in

818
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,340
2023 we keep hearing what our technology

819
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,260
that we see is 30 years behind what

820
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:42,000
they've actually got so to thank the

821
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,740
Chinese are still putting balloons above

822
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,940
the US

823
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,980
but you say that doesn't surprise you

824
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,260
that that technology is deployed because

825
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,419
it's pretty useful

826
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:53,640
yeah that's what I found is it's quite

827
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:55,799
cheap

828
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,460
um

829
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:59,220
and you can put it up to a very high if

830
00:29:02,529 --> 00:29:00,600
you can get it to a high altitude it's

831
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,539
very difficult to detect

832
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:05,279
especially with radar because it's not

833
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,380
moving and that's what we've seen a lot

834
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,779
is off the east coast you have the range

835
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:12,360
Fowler reports and basically they they

836
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:15,179
have uh these box orbs and everyone you

837
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,620
know they say oh it's obviously a

838
00:29:19,789 --> 00:29:18,840
balloon Etc well unless there's high

839
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:19,799
winds

840
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,899
you know that that is a huge negative of

841
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:23,039
your balloons

842
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,360
is

843
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:27,179
you know at least I don't know how to

844
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,659
keep a large balloon stable in high

845
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:33,000
winds yeah so that that's probably your

846
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,200
biggest negative is how do you control

847
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:37,200
these systems but I have no doubt that

848
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:39,720
the US has some you know classified

849
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,539
space balloon observation program it

850
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:44,580
just seems like you know we have low

851
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,899
earth orbit

852
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,940
and then we have aircraft

853
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,399
you know with your with your spy planes

854
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,440
Etc like your Predators your MC12 that

855
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,779
you saw at the mosul orb those are low

856
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,460
altitude though you know air breathers

857
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:59,220
in between that low earth orbit and down

858
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:01,140
at the ground is you know hundreds of

859
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:02,520
miles

860
00:30:07,549 --> 00:30:04,860
so that whole area

861
00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:07,559
you could put in vehicles some sort of

862
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,240
vehicles in that case I would see it as

863
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,220
some sort of dirigible so

864
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:12,960
I don't know it's definitely possible

865
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,080
but my big thing against that is if you

866
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:18,299
have high winds then your whole balloon

867
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:20,220
idea this whole idea that all these

868
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,659
things are just balloons you can make

869
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,460
anything in the shape of you can make a

870
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:25,320
balloon into any shape by the way you

871
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,000
know balloon animals exist for a reason

872
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,120
Batman yeah yeah anything you can make

873
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,880
it again there's balloon animals okay if

874
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:34,080
you're curious if you can make a balloon

875
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:35,700
in anything just YouTube you know

876
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:38,220
interesting balloon animals

877
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,539
um so you can make a balloon into any

878
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:41,640
shape right so they obviously even a

879
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:43,020
flying saucer that's going to be a

880
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:44,460
balloon right everything can be a

881
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,679
balloon unless it's in high winds

882
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:48,360
and then the question is how do you

883
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:51,419
maneuver a balloon right in in high

884
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,220
winds I don't know how

885
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,200
remember George Knapp had released those

886
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,539
pictures now the last couple of years

887
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:59,279
have been a blush so last year or the

888
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,600
year before

889
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,360
um the three snaps from the the pilot

890
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:05,460
yeah and one of them did look well we

891
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,080
had the famous Batman villain didn't we

892
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:09,360
which was everyone said it was and you

893
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,860
know that's still up in there for debate

894
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,000
literally

895
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,520
um but one of them did look like a big

896
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,000
kind of blimp balloon and I wonder does

897
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:20,580
this sort of Discovery overnight of this

898
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,159
Chinese Bible and above the us maybe

899
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,320
help point to that previous one more

900
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:27,600
than likely being some kind of foreign

901
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,940
Tech balloon that was placed there or is

902
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:33,059
that still unlikely do you think

903
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:35,340
yeah it's definitely likely I mean

904
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:37,020
they've been that's been the main

905
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,820
argument right is that this is some sort

906
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,440
of balloon

907
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:42,419
and if you look at that that's the acorn

908
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,440
uh sphere blimp video that actually my

909
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,899
most popular short by far is is on that

910
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,919
okay

911
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,840
if you look at it too that blimp looking

912
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:53,880
thing at the end it actually does look

913
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,220
like a Tic Tac actually if you consider

914
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,640
what a Tic Tac uh if you consider the

915
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,940
shape to me it looks like a Tic Tac

916
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:05,700
so I would say that is the best mundane

917
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,260
argument that's literally the only

918
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,360
mundane kind of argument I can consider

919
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,820
is that it's some sort of advanced

920
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,440
dirigible

921
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:15,600
the the biggest question is again in all

922
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:16,740
those in a lot of those East Coast

923
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,980
sightings is they would say high winds

924
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,960
um but the problem is I've never been

925
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:24,360
able to correlate okay those pictures

926
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:26,700
with them also saying high winds they

927
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:29,100
haven't said the date of the pictures uh

928
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,020
we don't know yeah so I can't get any

929
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,880
more data all I have is those three kind

930
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:34,440
of crappy picture four four kind of

931
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,899
crappy pictures with no correlating data

932
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:38,520
but if we can correlate it to the same

933
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:41,820
day and that day has high winds

934
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,220
uh and you have those Pilots saying that

935
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,200
yeah it was like 150 knot winds out

936
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,020
there at 27 000 feet then there's no way

937
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,840
this like you know this Chinese space

938
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:53,880
blimper or whatever balloon they're

939
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:55,799
talking about unless it has

940
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,899
engines on it there's no way it's going

941
00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:00,000
to stay in the same position in 150 knot

942
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,100
winds it's just that would be

943
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:03,600
breakthrough technology and either way

944
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:06,179
it's interesting yeah and well one thing

945
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:07,740
that we have got a little bit more data

946
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,240
on and you've mentioned and I've

947
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,880
mentioned is the muscle orb that came

948
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,559
out from Jeremy Corbell and George

949
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,659
Knapp's first episode of weaponized

950
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,460
their new podcast

951
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,240
um

952
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:20,220
I should start a podcast about weaponize

953
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,659
the podcast and understood like podcast

954
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,220
Inception

955
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,679
um the it caused a lot of debate a lot

956
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,720
of discussion and I just wonder what are

957
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,460
your thoughts from saying the initial

958
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:31,679
still frame to the work you've done on

959
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,179
it since and as we record this you've

960
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,000
got a video coming out later today uh on

961
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,159
the orb itself so not to spoil it but

962
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:39,600
it'll have been a week and a half since

963
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,220
when this gets released

964
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:43,440
I think it's really exciting

965
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:45,179
yeah I'm really I'm really happy with it

966
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:47,220
you know because I was on tonanza those

967
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:48,899
theories of everything his eight hour

968
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,179
long live cast and I was on that Israel

969
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,059
yep yeah I saw Jeremy Corbell and and

970
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,340
George Knapp they teased in January

971
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:58,260
they'd have some big release coming

972
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,779
and they delivered you know so he lives

973
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,059
in Vegas Vegas is a you know the the

974
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:06,000
center of the U.S Air Force tactical

975
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,500
Aviation that's where our weapon school

976
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:09,000
is you know that's where our the Air

977
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,879
Force Top Gun is in Las Vegas so I think

978
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,339
he just has good connections there yeah

979
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,440
in Vegas he's able to to bring out these

980
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,500
uh these amazing uh releases so the the

981
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:22,080
mosul orb I think

982
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:24,300
it first off it's a clear picture you

983
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:25,320
know everybody's like what about those

984
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,720
clear pictures you know I mean it's sort

985
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:29,520
of fuzzy around the outer edges but I

986
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:31,020
think that could be just from motion

987
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,580
blur um

988
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:35,460
and then you look at based on the focus

989
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,339
I don't think it can be a water droplet

990
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,440
because it's so zoomed in it's zoomed in

991
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:43,440
almost to one degree okay and so it's

992
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,899
it's like a telezoom if you think about

993
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:48,060
it so four and a half miles away is is

994
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,619
basically what I analyzed I was able to

995
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:51,359
you can watch my video later on but I

996
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:53,099
the slant range is about four and a half

997
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:55,080
nautical miles

998
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:56,460
and

999
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:58,200
we don't know the size of this thing

1000
00:35:03,410 --> 00:34:59,880
obviously right if it's an unidentified

1001
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:03,420
object but if it's a meter if it's a

1002
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,160
meter across

1003
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,560
uh then it would be about halfway

1004
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:09,720
between the jet and the ground in that

1005
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:10,859
picture

1006
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:12,680
so that that's what I was able to find

1007
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:15,300
so we'll learn more they said there's a

1008
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:17,579
four second video yep so it really

1009
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,079
depend on

1010
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:20,880
how long is that thing in the video for

1011
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,099
you know does it does it just like fly

1012
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,720
by the video because if that'll tell me

1013
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,520
it's it's close to the plane right it's

1014
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:27,839
close to the camera if it goes by

1015
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:28,920
quickly

1016
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,320
but what I've seen like

1017
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,480
um watching a target with a tarning pod

1018
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,760
like if a helicopter comes in right the

1019
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,800
helicopter is close to the building so

1020
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,240
you'll see the helicopter for a while

1021
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:41,040
which makes sense you know if you think

1022
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,660
about it you're far away really zoomed

1023
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:44,520
in to a point

1024
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,740
the longer that object is in the frame

1025
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:48,960
that means the closer it is to to the

1026
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:50,460
buildings

1027
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,260
and so in that case that would make it

1028
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,760
larger

1029
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,740
um one of the other arguments you've

1030
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,420
mentioned the water droplet but the

1031
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,800
other argument was that it was

1032
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:00,660
potentially a large puddle

1033
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,780
someone had looked at Google Maps and in

1034
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,940
that exact spot which it may just be

1035
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,680
coincidence and isn't this just typical

1036
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,380
of the UFO subject the object appears to

1037
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:12,780
be over what is like a big indentation

1038
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,200
in the ground so if there had been rain

1039
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,780
that's where it would have been but

1040
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:20,880
again from your calculations and the

1041
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,619
work you have done is it unlikely to be

1042
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:26,160
a large body of water on the ground

1043
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,140
yeah I'm not uh you know an Optics

1044
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,680
expert I'm told a lot uh but you know I

1045
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,140
went to uh metabunk and according to

1046
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:36,000
Mick West it can't be towards the ground

1047
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:37,800
you know he says basically it's 1500

1048
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:40,680
millimeter zoomed in

1049
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,800
um and so the focus is different if you

1050
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:45,839
look at the focus around the objects on

1051
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,060
the ground right they're they're in kind

1052
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,300
of a more accurate Focus if you will the

1053
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:53,700
line is less fuzzy on the outside and if

1054
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:56,359
you look at the object it's more fuzzy

1055
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,619
so meaning that

1056
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,020
it's it's closer to the camera it's not

1057
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,420
in the same Focus plane of view right

1058
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:05,099
it's not the same distance from the lens

1059
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:06,599
from the sensor

1060
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,240
as uh the objects on the ground

1061
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,460
yeah right so if it was on the ground

1062
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,500
and it was a puddle then you should see

1063
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,119
the puddle

1064
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:17,579
clearly outlined right so I guess their

1065
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,140
their only argument would be is that

1066
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,960
that fuzziness is somehow optically an

1067
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,359
illusion from this puddle on the ground

1068
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:26,400
I looked at Google Earth as well I

1069
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,440
looked at Google Maps and there's it's

1070
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:30,660
just a regular Street there's

1071
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,940
you know there's nothing there

1072
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,800
so I don't know according to Mick West

1073
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:36,839
it's not a puddle on the ground

1074
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,240
and I believe also it can't be a water

1075
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,460
droplet just because of so far how far

1076
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:44,220
zoomed in the camera is so I think this

1077
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,099
one is is truly anomalous unless you

1078
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:48,960
know the best I can think of is a like

1079
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,180
silver balloon you know they're going to

1080
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:52,560
come with a balloon it's gonna be a

1081
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:54,540
balloon if it's flying in the air and

1082
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:56,099
they can't identify it then the best

1083
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,480
argument is

1084
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,000
a balloon

1085
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:02,160
do we need the video though to really

1086
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,940
make a concrete decision on what this

1087
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:08,160
object is and where it is and I've

1088
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,780
actually heard Jeremy or George say

1089
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:12,359
directly and I did watch weaponized have

1090
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:14,520
they seen the four second video or have

1091
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,500
they just said there is a four second

1092
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,660
video

1093
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,520
I I don't know

1094
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,280
um I didn't hear exactly what he said

1095
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,500
all I know is that from what I

1096
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,119
understand is the four second video is

1097
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,280
classified right

1098
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,740
so if it's classified as far as I know

1099
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:33,359
they don't have security clearances they

1100
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,859
shouldn't they shouldn't be seeing it

1101
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,720
they shouldn't have seen it so that that

1102
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:38,339
was my impression is that the video is

1103
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,720
classified so they obviously they

1104
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,220
couldn't have seen it now

1105
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,740
the picture that was released was just

1106
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:45,119
unclassified

1107
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:46,920
because there's nothing actually

1108
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:49,500
classified on it that they can say a

1109
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,760
hundred percent you know I think they'll

1110
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,079
still get in trouble it'll still be the

1111
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,760
same thing because you can

1112
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:55,560
you know I was able to find out the

1113
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,180
plane is four and a half miles away we

1114
00:39:01,490 --> 00:38:59,160
know exactly where the target is so you

1115
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,500
can tell the the sensor

1116
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:03,599
you get data on the systems they're

1117
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,240
using right and you can determine

1118
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:07,980
operations you know okay you know if

1119
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:09,240
they're looking at Target maybe they'll

1120
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,859
be this far away see you can find the

1121
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,599
sort of things that obviously our

1122
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:13,980
government the military doesn't doesn't

1123
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,240
want to give out

1124
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:17,280
this was also from seven years ago right

1125
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,500
and we're not fighting there anymore

1126
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:21,900
so how long do we need to keep this

1127
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,900
stuff keep this stuff secret but from my

1128
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:26,880
point of view I need the video you know

1129
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:29,460
I'm limited now to like I analyze as far

1130
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:31,020
as I think I could do it

1131
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,480
and that basically what I said is if

1132
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:35,280
it's a meter long it would be in this

1133
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,859
location well if we get more data points

1134
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,660
if we get the video now we can determine

1135
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,800
okay

1136
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,599
it is

1137
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,820
within this range you know then I then I

1138
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:47,040
could say okay it is within

1139
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,980
you know a half meter to 10 meters or

1140
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,420
something you know I could actually give

1141
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:54,060
a range there but whereas of now is

1142
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:55,380
you know we don't really know so I'm

1143
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,940
very excited to get more data more

1144
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,980
images in the full video

1145
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,380
and again like we've said the beauty of

1146
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,200
weaponized now being a thing is George

1147
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,000
and Jeremy are there for that kind of

1148
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:08,760
regular contact and you would expect and

1149
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,400
hope and I speak to that doesn't mean

1150
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,140
God dropping names right I'm never the

1151
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:14,820
type but I speak to Jeremy pretty

1152
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,339
regular via text and he always seems to

1153
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:19,140
type this really up for being held

1154
00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,540
accountable and I think this I would be

1155
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,579
disappointed if they didn't address it

1156
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:25,920
regularly on the podcast and come back

1157
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:28,380
to drops to say this is what we said

1158
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:31,800
last week and whether it was debunked or

1159
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:33,060
actually here's something that's been

1160
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:34,859
brought up let's answer these things

1161
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,140
first and then move on because that is

1162
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,640
the opportunity that I've got with the

1163
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,800
platform that they have which is already

1164
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,660
a massive success but I think that for

1165
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,119
me is the the key to being a continued

1166
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,089
yeah definitely I think

1167
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,980
you know whatever you think about Jeremy

1168
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,920
Corbell his releases have been

1169
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:57,960
you know approved by the government

1170
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:01,020
meaning whatever he releases

1171
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,460
the US government has come around and

1172
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,960
said yes that is legitimate you know

1173
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,640
those are real they've they haven't come

1174
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,380
out yet and been like no that's not true

1175
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,660
you know or that video wasn't

1176
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,480
uh wasn't realistic so I would take it

1177
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,440
as

1178
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:15,060
yeah it looks like it's a realistic

1179
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,339
capture and also interesting that it's

1180
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,560
this it's this round orb thing that

1181
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,420
keeps seems like it keeps coming up you

1182
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:23,820
know Ross Coulter he initially had the

1183
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,300
like the BET sphere kind of idea but

1184
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:29,700
I've also had many videos

1185
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:33,359
one one's from Nigel Benton he's in the

1186
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,540
UK actually in England and he was he had

1187
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:39,599
separated by 50 I think 15 years he

1188
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,780
videoed just a white orb it looks like I

1189
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,280
don't know a planet that's maybe too

1190
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,260
bright during the day

1191
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,380
and it actually passes a plane passes

1192
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,420
behind it so you can actually see it's

1193
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:53,520
nearer to the

1194
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,780
um

1195
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:56,520
and no one's really talked about those

1196
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,320
you know I bring it up I brought I've

1197
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:00,720
made a couple videos on it but you know

1198
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,700
those those sort of captures just kind

1199
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,920
of go by the wayside what was his name

1200
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:06,780
just I'll put the link for your video in

1201
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:08,460
the description but for people who may

1202
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:10,820
have heard Batman oh what did I say

1203
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,859
Nigel Benton

1204
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,780
I'll stack that link again in the

1205
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:17,400
description Focus yourself yeah he has

1206
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,220
two videos he went out um I think in

1207
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,800
2008 he captured the first one just by

1208
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,300
accident he was sitting back in his in

1209
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,920
his on his guard in his garden looking

1210
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,560
up and he saw like a star during the day

1211
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:30,720
he's like that's weird and so he ended

1212
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,040
up videoing it

1213
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,740
I ended up seeing the video he asked me

1214
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:36,240
what I should do with it I said hey put

1215
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,800
it on YouTube you know so he throws it

1216
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,040
on YouTube this was in uh 2020 I believe

1217
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,040
and then it that same year he sees it

1218
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:47,280
again and so he recorded it again uh the

1219
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:50,099
same location and he posted it posted

1220
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,240
another video

1221
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,880
so yeah I think something on with these

1222
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,560
something going on with these orbs you

1223
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:57,960
know is this like some AI

1224
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,420
super drone you know that it's basically

1225
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,119
here monitoring or is this

1226
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:05,460
a metallic balloon that we don't know

1227
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:07,260
about flying around or is it some sort

1228
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,099
of

1229
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:10,079
drone it just seems weird you'd have in

1230
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:11,819
Afghanistan you'd have this silver drone

1231
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,260
what do you think is more likely because

1232
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,540
it seems the type of shape that

1233
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,940
as technology improves that maybe it

1234
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,560
would be it's not particularly

1235
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,660
aerodynamic is it that's that's one of

1236
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,520
the issues and we see a lot of the

1237
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,859
drones are our craft being used all

1238
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,480
different kinds of altitudes

1239
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:30,119
a big ball no matter what size doesn't

1240
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,980
seem to be the best one to be throwing

1241
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,359
up in the air regardless of the

1242
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,160
technology you're deploying to move it

1243
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,440
so is it more likely and I've said

1244
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,119
before just because they're drones

1245
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:41,400
doesn't mean they're human drones

1246
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,579
right we put big cubes up on Mars to

1247
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,800
grown up Rove about the planet with big

1248
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,359
tracks underneath them and they move a

1249
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,460
couple of feet in a day and I've always

1250
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,319
said you know if anyone thinks why would

1251
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:54,119
I use this argument with people I work

1252
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:55,740
with who have no interest in the UFO

1253
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,660
topic who who find out I've got a

1254
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,940
podcast on it and they'll say why would

1255
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,680
the civilization come millions of miles

1256
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,440
and fly their spaceships about here and

1257
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,660
well we've just put a big robot on Mars

1258
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:09,240
and it roves about it collects samples

1259
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,680
and then every so often it's got a

1260
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,900
little helicopter Which flies up off of

1261
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,819
the robot goes a couple of feet away

1262
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:17,040
from it and comes back is that not

1263
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:19,319
really strange and there's no real

1264
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:20,940
argument there sir because we do the

1265
00:44:26,109 --> 00:44:22,500
same

1266
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:26,119
yeah it's it's just funny that um

1267
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,420
we just uh we think we know everything I

1268
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,119
find it it just it's the human nature

1269
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,280
right you have to be confident

1270
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,380
to take a step you know you have to be

1271
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,359
confident to eat that

1272
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:41,880
you know food or you're never gonna eat

1273
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:43,140
you're never gonna walk anywhere you

1274
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:45,060
wouldn't exist yeah so there's a

1275
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:46,440
confidence that we have to have as

1276
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:47,640
humans

1277
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,819
that I think they hide the true nature

1278
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:52,440
of reality which is we don't know the

1279
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,079
true nature of reality we don't know

1280
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,079
really much past our own planetary

1281
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,780
borders right we we think we can see so

1282
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,920
far

1283
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,720
um but you know look just last month it

1284
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,180
was a what was it a comment the size of

1285
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,819
a large uh 18-wheeler you know came

1286
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,680
underneath our lower satellites and we

1287
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,720
didn't see that comment um I mean we

1288
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,420
didn't see that that meteor right so

1289
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,760
we could easily be impacted by a meteor

1290
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,380
at any minute I mean we really aren't

1291
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,240
looking you know there's this idea that

1292
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,220
we have there's a few programs right but

1293
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,920
but just as an example that one that one

1294
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,020
meteor so I think there's so much we

1295
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,180
don't know what I think about with the

1296
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:32,480
the Spheres is you mentioned something

1297
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:36,319
you said that the the shape doesn't seem

1298
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,099
realistic giving how it would maneuver

1299
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:43,380
uh or some something to that end yeah

1300
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,660
yeah but I think the shape of it would

1301
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,940
would give us Clues to exactly how it

1302
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:49,319
would maneuver

1303
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:52,260
right so if I think of

1304
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,060
if this is possible what are some

1305
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,800
possible Technologies for this right

1306
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,319
what could possibly happen I think in

1307
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,680
terms of gravidics magnetics right

1308
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,880
there's still so much we don't know

1309
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:05,599
about the Earth's magnetic field

1310
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:09,000
we still don't know how gravity

1311
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,740
actually works we don't really

1312
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,839
understand gravity we don't really

1313
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,460
understand electricity and we don't

1314
00:46:18,609 --> 00:46:16,560
really understand magnetism and I think

1315
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,619
those three things are are really

1316
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,760
interrelated they could be the same

1317
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:23,280
thing actually the same thing we just

1318
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:25,079
see it it comes out in different uh

1319
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,540
perspectives so what if like this metal

1320
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,880
ball right what if it's shaped like that

1321
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,980
for a particular reason involving some

1322
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,180
sort of

1323
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,460
magnetics right if you're trying to

1324
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,040
maneuver if inside you have some sort of

1325
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,599
uh

1326
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:42,720
some sort of electromagnetic system

1327
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,740
that can just hold itself in a uh in a

1328
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,780
geodesic a magnetic line with the Earth

1329
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,520
right because the Earth is a giant

1330
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:52,020
magnet if you think about it giant

1331
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,060
magnet interacting with the solar wind

1332
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:56,579
right so you have and actually millions

1333
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:00,060
of tons of electrons solar wind are

1334
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,740
hitting the earth from the sun I believe

1335
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,319
every day so I mean you just have tons

1336
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,180
of actual emotion going on there's tons

1337
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:08,099
of energy hitting the Earth there's tons

1338
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,420
of magnetic fields that we don't

1339
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,560
understand

1340
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,480
could a ball

1341
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:14,400
you know could have just moved and

1342
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,540
that's where I think about these Tic

1343
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:17,460
Tacs when you think of the Tic Tacs on

1344
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,140
the west coast you know when they came

1345
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,119
in at 80 000 feet then they went right

1346
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:23,160
down to 28 000 feet

1347
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:24,900
and then they just held and actually

1348
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,500
they they tracked on uh I think um Kevin

1349
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:30,780
Dave and said like East West they were

1350
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,180
tracking on like longitude lines and

1351
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:35,400
then it goes down to the surface

1352
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,140
immediate you know the only thing I I

1353
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:39,839
think of that is like discrete jumps if

1354
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:40,940
you're thinking of solid state

1355
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:43,020
Electronics how does solid state

1356
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,520
Electronics work is it actually goes

1357
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,460
through these discrete jumps

1358
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:49,560
um so I I don't know I think

1359
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,260
my own belief and again it's it's like a

1360
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,900
guesstimate is that it that's where it

1361
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,339
kind of Lies where the answer kind of

1362
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,500
Lies is our understanding of the actual

1363
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
Earth the environment that the Earth is

1364
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
actually in the magnetic environment how

1365
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:05,040
does magnetic how does magnetism and an

1366
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,560
electrical how does the electromagnetic

1367
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,040
spectrum actually work and how will that

1368
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:13,140
interact with gravity and I and I think

1369
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,180
it leans towards that direction

1370
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:17,099
that's really interesting nice way to

1371
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,540
think about it and give me people like

1372
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:20,040
me something to think about as well in

1373
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,720
terms of how these things may be moving

1374
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:24,240
operating I think it also gives you the

1375
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:26,300
idea that say these things do come from

1376
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,940
from space and then into the atmosphere

1377
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:31,800
and then they can operate underwater as

1378
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:32,520
well

1379
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,680
maybe they're using different systems to

1380
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:36,359
operate in those different places and

1381
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,740
again that could

1382
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,599
also make them a little bit fallible we

1383
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,520
hear these objects can sometimes crash

1384
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,140
and people say well how can this great

1385
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:45,240
technology crash here but maybe even

1386
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,680
it's moving from one thing to another

1387
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,660
thing to another thing there's maybe

1388
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,579
moments where

1389
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:53,040
there's a weakness and that's why what

1390
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,420
happens to them happens but then maybe

1391
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:56,280
not maybe that's not how it works but I

1392
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:57,780
like that I like good idea

1393
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,020
well it depends how many there are

1394
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,020
you know imagine you have um

1395
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:06,839
you have these these devices

1396
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:10,260
and they're invisible you know for

1397
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,540
whatever reason I mean there could be

1398
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:14,880
like literally millions of these things

1399
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,339
on the earth you know if you look in how

1400
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,319
many objects are in orbit right now if

1401
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,060
you look at how much junk and trash do

1402
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:23,400
we have in orbit there's like hundreds

1403
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,859
of thousands of of objects up there yeah

1404
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:28,319
you know the Earth is is a big place you

1405
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,740
know we like to think that

1406
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,880
that it's not right but you could have

1407
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:34,319
you could literally have millions of

1408
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,460
these objects

1409
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,920
and you just have a very small

1410
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,079
percentage of them that fails or crashes

1411
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,300
or doesn't work or we're able to detect

1412
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,119
just such a small percentage

1413
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,980
um that it that it comes out that way

1414
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,960
you know

1415
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:51,359
nah pretty cool I like that uh I want to

1416
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,859
know Chris moving on very slightly

1417
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,900
what's been some of the most compelling

1418
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,640
evidence you've looked at over the last

1419
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:57,960
year now you've put out a lot of videos

1420
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,400
and I would encourage folks to go and

1421
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,500
look at those is there anything though

1422
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:02,880
that you've worked on that you've

1423
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:06,420
thought that that to you

1424
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,290
oh man like a case or yeah I mean I

1425
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,920
might be like the most alarm for example

1426
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,599
where you think I would love more on

1427
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:20,760
that that's the one or has it been one

1428
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,700
of the pilot sightings or

1429
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:26,880
I've been most surprised I guess by the

1430
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:30,780
the amount of data

1431
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:34,680
I guess proving or proclaiming to prove

1432
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:36,540
that there is

1433
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,260
um

1434
00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:39,180
telepathic communication

1435
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,119
okay that's probably then the biggest I

1436
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:44,339
guess surprise for me as far as the

1437
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,200
Smoking Gun you know for me I try and

1438
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:48,000
put out everything immediately you know

1439
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,180
I don't like holding information at all

1440
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,380
I don't know why if it's like an

1441
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,140
excitement to try and publish it or not

1442
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:57,540
um so I don't have anything really that

1443
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,119
I'm not you could watch my channel and

1444
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:01,920
basically you would have kind of an

1445
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:03,540
understanding of all the things I'm

1446
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,680
looking at

1447
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,300
the thing that's probably surprised me

1448
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,300
the most though is this from Dean Raiden

1449
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,240
he has done all these apparent

1450
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,680
scientific

1451
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:15,480
experiments right everybody's asking

1452
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:17,099
where's the data where's the data well

1453
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:18,420
he's this guy's done all these

1454
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:20,760
scientific experiments Dean Rayden has

1455
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:23,940
done them uh according to him proving

1456
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:27,140
this non-locality so basically

1457
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,780
telepathic uh effects specifically on

1458
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:33,480
the double set experiment

1459
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:37,079
and for me if if that's true I mean I

1460
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:39,540
think that would just blow blow our

1461
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:40,859
current understanding of physics out of

1462
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,619
the water can you explain that you

1463
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:45,480
mentioned double experiment is that the

1464
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,920
one that I've seen the picture or the

1465
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,140
graphic where you're looking at the two

1466
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,800
lines yeah yeah but yeah can you explain

1467
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:54,780
that because an idiot like me sees it

1468
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,700
and goes I think I've got a rough idea

1469
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:59,400
what's going on but dumb it down for me

1470
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:01,380
I'm I don't know if anyone can explain

1471
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:04,200
it you know but I will say it comes from

1472
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:05,940
the double experiment that was Thomas

1473
00:52:11,049 --> 00:52:08,819
Young in in 1809

1474
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,059
so I guess the biggest

1475
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:13,260
evidence I can point to is that it's

1476
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:15,480
been over 200 years since this

1477
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,619
experiment

1478
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,780
and the scientists are still talking

1479
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,180
about it on different on opposing sides

1480
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:23,880
right you can go you can you can look uh

1481
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:26,040
on YouTube

1482
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:28,140
um and you'll find YouTubers saying that

1483
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,859
the double slit experiment is is is not

1484
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:34,559
there's there's no they're there right

1485
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,540
it's explained it's obviously explained

1486
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,359
and then you can find on the same in the

1487
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:41,460
same area the opposite explanation that

1488
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,500
the double slit is mind-bending and it

1489
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,319
proves non-locality right so the biggest

1490
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,180
thing I would suggest is over 200 years

1491
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,220
they're still talking about it okay and

1492
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:52,319
so that should give some sort of idea

1493
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,839
that that there is something there so as

1494
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:56,700
far as the actual experiment that Dean

1495
00:53:02,809 --> 00:52:59,880
raden did is the double slit experiment

1496
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:02,819
uh is is basically when you shine a

1497
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:05,339
light through a hole okay when you shine

1498
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,319
a light through a hole what we found is

1499
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,480
it acts like water so the same thing is

1500
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,480
if you know in a pool waves around a

1501
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:15,059
pool if you have a little hole in a pool

1502
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:17,460
and you and you put it you Splash on one

1503
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,619
side right it'll you'll have a a pattern

1504
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,040
go out you know and waves

1505
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,380
proving that shows that water at least

1506
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,599
when you impact it acts like a wave like

1507
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:30,180
a compression wave and so the same thing

1508
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,859
happens with light and they were very

1509
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,260
very surprised right to find that light

1510
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:36,900
actually works as a wave because if if

1511
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:38,819
it's acting as a wave then you have to

1512
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,339
ask well what is it what is waving

1513
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:44,160
right what is wavy because in water I

1514
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,260
hit the water right the water is itself

1515
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,599
waving right yeah so that makes simple

1516
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,280
sense to me okay when they did the same

1517
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:52,079
thing with light they shine light

1518
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:53,339
through

1519
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,260
what they notice is the light itself is

1520
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,079
waving in in the question and I think it

1521
00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:59,760
still is not answered is what is it

1522
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:01,859
waving through like what is physically

1523
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:04,680
moving up and down right if it's if it's

1524
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,260
uh the light so outside and why is it

1525
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,880
not just going in a straight line

1526
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:10,800
yes yeah okay

1527
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:13,559
exactly and so that's the two so if it

1528
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:15,000
goes in a straight line and they're able

1529
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:16,680
to measure this it behaves like a

1530
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,880
particle

1531
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:20,280
like a bullet you know so they shoot the

1532
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,000
light

1533
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,880
imagine a little hole here if it behaves

1534
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,680
like a particle it'll go straight and

1535
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,180
hit right in the front you know right

1536
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:29,339
where you aim you know

1537
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:31,740
the problem is and that's when you when

1538
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,960
you look okay but when you don't look

1539
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,480
when you're not looking and you Shine

1540
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:38,099
the Light it just acts like a normal

1541
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:40,020
wave and so what you'll get on the wall

1542
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:42,780
is a wave pattern it'll look like water

1543
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,579
hitting a wave rather than a little

1544
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,920
bullet hitting the wall

1545
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,380
and that's it so the what's freaking out

1546
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:51,119
everybody and it again they haven't

1547
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,559
answered it and they keep saying they

1548
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:54,059
answered it but they haven't for 200

1549
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,000
years is that when you watch it

1550
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,400
when you watch it that bullet hits the

1551
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:01,800
wall and when you're not watching it it

1552
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,300
doesn't it acts like a way it's like

1553
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,220
it's saving energy like the system it's

1554
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,980
like in a video game you know uh if

1555
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:09,780
you're in a mass video game

1556
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,940
uh and you look say you turn and you're

1557
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:13,440
looking in the distance it takes a while

1558
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:15,300
for that to render right you'll see it's

1559
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,619
kind of blurry at the beginning but then

1560
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:19,500
it goes high def yeah right because your

1561
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,059
computer is only rendering what you're

1562
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,700
looking at because it has to use all

1563
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:25,440
that processing so when it looks over

1564
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,540
here it's like okay it hasn't rendered

1565
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:29,339
yet and then it fills in and that's kind

1566
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,300
of what we're seeing with the double

1567
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:32,640
slit experiment is that if we don't look

1568
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,700
over there it's a wave but when we now

1569
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,680
when we look it renders in it fills in

1570
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:40,079
and goes to a specific point and behaves

1571
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:41,460
like a particle

1572
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,220
and and what's even one step ahead of

1573
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:46,859
that is Dean Rayden what he found is you

1574
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,300
don't even have to look with your eyes

1575
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:51,119
if he he got meditators these guys who

1576
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:54,059
were just good at meditating and if they

1577
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,520
just think about it right he was he he

1578
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:59,040
says proven if you just think about it

1579
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,839
it will render

1580
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:02,640
it's like you're looking at it and it

1581
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,619
doesn't matter how far away it is

1582
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:07,559
it doesn't matter when it happened

1583
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:09,000
so it's

1584
00:56:12,829 --> 00:56:10,920
that's the biggest surprise to me is

1585
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:12,839
that we have evidence

1586
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:15,900
that space and time can be bypassed

1587
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,800
simply by mental uh processes

1588
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:22,020
and if that's true

1589
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:24,359
then it means it opens up the venue on

1590
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:26,700
what this UAP phenomena could be right

1591
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:27,720
because

1592
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,119
if I can think about something anywhere

1593
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:32,700
in the universe and affect it

1594
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,859
then theoretically you could have anyone

1595
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:36,900
in the universe or anything thinking

1596
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:40,319
about us right and somehow affecting us

1597
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:43,619
so it means there could be a reverse

1598
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,660
um and so that would be like the woo you

1599
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:48,059
know because I keep hitting against I'm

1600
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,319
nuts and balls I came from nuts and

1601
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:51,119
bolts world

1602
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:52,859
um but it's just the Woo is there you

1603
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,380
know it's like this big gorilla like

1604
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:57,420
this weird looking

1605
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:01,859
you know a Bigfoot gorilla that's a nice

1606
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:03,660
little segue

1607
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:05,460
um but I was going to say Chris we've

1608
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:07,619
started vetting up some books and it's

1609
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,059
kind of gone up and up and up and got

1610
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,599
into spheres and orbs and

1611
00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:14,220
non-localities and I was going to ask

1612
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,619
you before we come back down to UFO

1613
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,960
reports and whistleblowers while we're

1614
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,460
at the peak of the mountain you've done

1615
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:22,800
some work uh on your YouTube channel on

1616
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,380
the Mount Wilson Ranch and I noticed

1617
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:26,880
that in one of the videos you actually

1618
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,160
called out very fairly that you you lost

1619
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:31,500
some viewers some subscribers not a

1620
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,460
whole lot but you know there were some

1621
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,740
people who didn't like that you were

1622
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,599
going in that direction with that

1623
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,760
particular chat uh because it was too

1624
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:41,160
War so maybe that's your more nuts and

1625
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:43,020
bolts Aviation enthusiasts who are

1626
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,760
dipping their toe in the UFO water in

1627
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,040
the sea well this is just a step too far

1628
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,960
but can you tell us a little bit about

1629
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,940
the Mount Wilson Ranch and the work

1630
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:52,319
you've done there and what's ongoing

1631
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:54,420
with it yeah definitely thanks for

1632
00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:55,559
asking

1633
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,800
um so Coral Vibe I met him at uh blind

1634
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:00,720
frog ranch when I went there for UFO

1635
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:02,760
disclosure so we went

1636
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,339
um and they let Carl Vibe all over that

1637
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:07,380
blind frog Ranch and he wasn't really

1638
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:08,520
impressed he didn't think there was

1639
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:11,579
anything there to to really investigate

1640
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,079
um but he did think there was something

1641
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,480
at Mount Wilson Ranch and so this is

1642
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:17,359
Mount Wilson Ranch it was bought by

1643
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,339
Bigelow so Bob Bigelow purchased it

1644
00:58:24,049 --> 00:58:21,599
around the same time he purchased

1645
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,059
Skinwalker Ranch and so Skinwalker Ranch

1646
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:26,700
is well known that's where they had all

1647
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,260
the uh the ASAP programs going but he

1648
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,359
also had Mount Wilson Ranch

1649
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,280
and they invited the same team so we

1650
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:37,140
have pictures Carl has pictures there's

1651
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:40,440
also pictures in Jacques valet's book on

1652
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:43,079
them in Mount Wilson Ranch so Eric Davis

1653
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:45,780
you know Hal putoff Bob Bigelow that

1654
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,640
whole team the nids team

1655
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,680
did for some reason thought it was

1656
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,780
interesting you know so that alone makes

1657
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,280
it made it interesting

1658
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,680
um for me second thing is there's a lot

1659
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,140
of Shaman crazy stories you know your

1660
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:00,480
woo stories just pervade that whole area

1661
00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:03,299
you know which is also interesting and

1662
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:06,500
then finally is we we partnered with sky

1663
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:09,960
360. and so their camera systems are

1664
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:12,180
almost ready I I just saw I'm I'm

1665
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:13,740
editing a video now with one of the

1666
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,440
developers but the tracking system works

1667
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,200
so they use chat GPT and it just

1668
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:21,000
accelerated our coding right because he

1669
00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:24,059
he can just tell chappy T or ask it to

1670
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:26,040
um code these things these tools that

1671
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,200
they need and so it works now so the

1672
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:30,180
object tracking software is working uh

1673
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,040
the hardware has been finalized so I

1674
00:59:36,770 --> 00:59:34,619
think we'll be ready to go back this

1675
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:36,780
spring and I want to put three systems

1676
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,740
in in a triangle of the sky 360 uh Sky

1677
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,359
searching systems

1678
00:59:46,609 --> 00:59:44,640
and get them up and running and I hope

1679
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:46,619
to just have them streaming as best we

1680
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:48,359
can so that's the whole idea of Mount

1681
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,940
Wilson Ranch it's exciting there it's

1682
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:53,520
definitely an exciting place there's

1683
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:54,839
I think you'll hear about it in the

1684
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,760
future what are you hoping to see though

1685
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,980
are you hoping to find some artists can

1686
01:00:02,270 --> 01:00:00,299
walk around should be here there's the

1687
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:02,280
activity in the sky we hear about the

1688
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,220
activity on the ranch portals opening up

1689
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:08,160
dire wolves cattle being moved from one

1690
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,700
location to like inside small cabins and

1691
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:14,339
then bursting out in catatonic steps is

1692
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,500
that all the same type of activity that

1693
01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:18,119
you're hoping and expecting to find at

1694
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:23,390
yeah I hope to find anything anomalous I

1695
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:27,000
mean for me personally is it's at 8 000

1696
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:29,160
feet so Mount Wilson there's an

1697
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,380
observatory right right nearby

1698
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:33,000
because it has clear skies you know it's

1699
01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:35,220
in Nevada has super clear skies it up

1700
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:36,839
it's up at eight out eight thousand feet

1701
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,480
and then it's I think 60 miles from Area

1702
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,220
51

1703
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,740
so for me is it's a interesting location

1704
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,000
where

1705
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:47,520
other investigators are going you know

1706
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,339
so UAP Society the idea was to make a

1707
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,680
formal integration so use web3

1708
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,140
technology but get these people like

1709
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:57,119
Carl Carl's perfect man he's a UAP

1710
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,119
Society basically founding member and so

1711
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,460
what he did is he found Mount Wilson

1712
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:05,760
uh he convinced me at least that it's

1713
01:01:09,289 --> 01:01:07,619
that it's an interesting place and then

1714
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:09,299
he worked with the owner Jeff McBurney

1715
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:11,099
and so now we can make a headquarters

1716
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,180
there

1717
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:14,400
so for me is setting up a permanent

1718
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:17,700
research station so my own interest is

1719
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,859
in the sky so looking to these Sky 360

1720
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,319
systems but I I mean also I'm very

1721
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:24,240
interested in these other kind of

1722
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:26,220
aspects you talked about you know the

1723
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:27,540
the weird

1724
01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:28,740
um

1725
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:31,260
mental aspects could there be some sort

1726
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:34,140
of telepathic communication you know

1727
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:37,020
through time through space I it sounds

1728
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,059
ridiculous you know a year ago I would

1729
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,520
have said that's ridiculous to myself

1730
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,740
right but you said you ask him what's

1731
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:45,839
the biggest thing that changed and

1732
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,119
surprising is that I I would consider

1733
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:51,059
that possible right we have scientists

1734
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:53,339
saying here's the evidence it's possible

1735
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,380
he has more science he has a

1736
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:57,599
uh it's like a mass double slit

1737
01:02:00,289 --> 01:01:58,980
experiment coming out this year he's

1738
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:00,299
building his own little technical

1739
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,480
devices that's Dean Raiden so we should

1740
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:05,640
see more evidence of this

1741
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:08,099
space and time not being local Mental

1742
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,619
effects at the same time at Mount Wilson

1743
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,480
Ranch you have Carl Vibe who's gone

1744
01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:13,920
through the Gateway program so he's

1745
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:16,859
basically studied the cias uh mental

1746
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:19,619
Gateway program I think from

1747
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:21,380
uh

1748
01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:24,900
the 70s it's actually been changed now

1749
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:27,420
so he's been doing all the hardcore

1750
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,819
meditation going to the end you know

1751
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,859
solving it to the end I think that's

1752
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:33,299
what I don't want to do I don't want to

1753
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:35,160
spread myself too thin and maybe that's

1754
01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:37,500
what the audience is thinking and for

1755
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,579
good reason

1756
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:41,760
is I want to investigate these these

1757
01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:43,559
threads if you will these interesting

1758
01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:45,540
threads but I want to investigate them

1759
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,700
all the way to the end right I want to

1760
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,200
get to an end where there's an end and

1761
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:51,540
we can be like nope you know like that's

1762
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,880
off the list because I think

1763
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:55,799
up until now we don't you know I think a

1764
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:57,720
lot of people just dabble you know I

1765
01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:59,400
don't want to dabble in the loo you know

1766
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:01,579
I want to get into the woo I want to

1767
01:03:06,349 --> 01:03:04,440
gather the mud of the wool dig through

1768
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:06,359
it and find something real and chop its

1769
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:07,740
head off you know that's what I want to

1770
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:08,760
do

1771
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:18,000
long term serious and so that's that's

1772
01:03:21,049 --> 01:03:20,040
what I'm aiming to to aim for the woo

1773
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:21,059
and that's what I'm aiming for Mount

1774
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:22,980
Wilson is to set up set up a nuts and

1775
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:25,260
bolts operation but it's at the place

1776
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:27,180
where all the supposed Wu happens as

1777
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,859
well so we'll be there with the cameras

1778
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,960
if anything we'll video it and so that

1779
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:33,359
that's the main goal I get that though

1780
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,359
with people who have a strong

1781
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:38,640
disdain or dislike for one side of the

1782
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:40,380
UFO topic or the other where they're

1783
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,119
very nuts and bolts and they hate the

1784
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:45,119
were or they're very much more worse

1785
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:46,559
spiritual whatever you want to call it

1786
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:48,119
not in a bad way but that's you know

1787
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,220
that that sort of area and they're much

1788
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:52,319
less nuts and bolts because I've I've

1789
01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:53,700
got the same thing sometimes I'll

1790
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:56,220
mention oh like guilty pleasures I

1791
01:03:59,690 --> 01:03:57,660
remember I used to watch YouTube videos

1792
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:59,700
about Andrew basiajo and he would talk

1793
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,319
about being part of the Mars JUMP

1794
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:03,359
program apparently with President Obama

1795
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:06,359
and as kids they would go and it was

1796
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,819
crazy but you know just to let your

1797
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:10,799
imagination go I wonder same talking

1798
01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:13,079
about you know other alien bases out in

1799
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:15,000
Antarctica and there's some folks who

1800
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:16,619
just have no interest or time for that

1801
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:18,180
maybe some of the lindemolton house

1802
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,280
stuff that she goes into where you know

1803
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:22,079
I've got this anonymous source and here

1804
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,359
it's a a 50-page monologue from them

1805
01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:26,220
about where they they fought aliens

1806
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,859
under the ice in Antarctica and there's

1807
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,480
people who love that but then there's

1808
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,920
people who are like no what's going on

1809
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,660
with U.S Congress you know what

1810
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,160
politicians right now are talking about

1811
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,500
the UFO subject what's happening with

1812
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:39,119
the Navy right now what are they seeing

1813
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:40,920
and that's their stuff and it's like you

1814
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:42,299
say there's people like yourself who

1815
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:44,460
you're finding more of an interest in

1816
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,200
the kind of wider aspects of it and

1817
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,760
there's something for everyone in the

1818
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:49,260
subject and I think you're playing it

1819
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,460
off really well and whatever I've

1820
01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:52,440
watched of yours Chris

1821
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:54,599
you're not getting ridiculous with it

1822
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:56,520
and you're not completely throwing your

1823
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:58,020
guns down and saying actually do you

1824
01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:00,059
know what what the Navy Tic Tacs blah

1825
01:05:02,990 --> 01:05:01,500
blah could be anything I'm really

1826
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:03,000
interested in this stuff out here that I

1827
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:04,619
can't do anything about can't see can't

1828
01:05:09,049 --> 01:05:06,900
prove you want to go and do the science

1829
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,059
because as a science they are to be done

1830
01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:11,520
do the experiments do the work boots on

1831
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,500
the ground research and I think there's

1832
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:14,880
there's a big audience for that still

1833
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:16,859
but I get where the oddpr thing goes nah

1834
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:18,359
not for me

1835
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:20,220
yeah the same and there's different

1836
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:22,020
content and you know that's longer form

1837
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:24,180
it's like Vlog content so I'm putting it

1838
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:27,059
on uh the second Channel UAP Society

1839
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:28,920
which is where it it deserves to be

1840
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:31,619
anyway it's it's a UAP Society project

1841
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:34,020
you know and the other thing I hope is

1842
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:35,940
that it motivates people

1843
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:39,839
to take part I just I don't like

1844
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:41,640
sitting there and waiting for handouts

1845
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:43,140
from the government

1846
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,540
when it hasn't come for 80 years you

1847
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:47,280
know like well

1848
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:49,079
it's hard to not get our hopes up but

1849
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:51,180
look at the past experience like there's

1850
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:52,319
no way

1851
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,119
we're going to get the information that

1852
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:57,420
we want uh you know apart from

1853
01:06:02,089 --> 01:05:59,700
aliens appearing over every major city

1854
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:02,099
and saying yes we are here

1855
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,960
and obviously they haven't done it up

1856
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:06,480
until now so if they exist there doesn't

1857
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:08,700
appear to be any major benefit to them

1858
01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:09,960
doing that

1859
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:11,220
so I don't think that's going to happen

1860
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:13,260
so it'll be the government on it out of

1861
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:15,000
its own good gracious

1862
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,680
you know handing us the information I'd

1863
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:18,540
rather I want to pressure the government

1864
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:20,040
to release the information but you

1865
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,299
pressure it by

1866
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,720
evidence right so if we find you know if

1867
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:26,160
we have dedicated

1868
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:28,680
videos from Mount Wilson Ranch you know

1869
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,619
of a try system three cameras picking up

1870
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:32,880
some orb

1871
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:34,260
that puts a lot of pressure on the

1872
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:35,700
government just by the quality of our

1873
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:37,500
evidence right so now we can say look

1874
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:39,960
this is what's flying over our skies

1875
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,700
this is what's flying over America it's

1876
01:06:47,089 --> 01:06:44,160
not a Chinese it's not a Chinese space

1877
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:47,099
balloon right it you can't identify this

1878
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,420
that puts a lot of pressure on the

1879
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,920
government and so that's my aim is not

1880
01:06:54,890 --> 01:06:51,539
to go and bang on the government's door

1881
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:54,900
my aim is to go motivate the people

1882
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:58,859
right Mass interest use web3 technology

1883
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:01,859
to to swing for the fences right I don't

1884
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,200
want some half-assed program I want it

1885
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,299
to be Global worldwide I'm not just

1886
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:08,940
aiming at the us we went web three we

1887
01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:10,500
went with ethereum because it's a Global

1888
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,599
Network it takes you know no government

1889
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:14,880
can needs to approve your ethereum

1890
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:15,960
transaction

1891
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,700
so that that's why we went we went

1892
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,740
Global you know and I haven't mentioned

1893
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:21,660
the web 3 stuff I I put it on the back

1894
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:23,400
burner for now because people obviously

1895
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:25,380
not ready for it but they're going to be

1896
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:26,940
ready for it right this is like like

1897
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:28,440
five years ago everybody's electric

1898
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:30,299
vehicles not the way to go you look at

1899
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:31,500
it now

1900
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:33,900
ice cars are dead they're dead as of

1901
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:35,220
this year everything's going to be

1902
01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:36,299
electric and you're going to see because

1903
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:37,619
it's a better technology it's a

1904
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:40,140
digitized technology it has one tenth of

1905
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,980
the parts

1906
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,960
it's the same thing this web3 technology

1907
01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:44,220
the stuff I'm not even going to mention

1908
01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:45,240
the n-word

1909
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,099
the web 3 technology digital

1910
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,480
collectibles

1911
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,400
they're better you know they're faster

1912
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:52,740
it's cheaper it's going to cut out a lot

1913
01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,180
of these middlemen that are just taking

1914
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,339
your money for no and not providing any

1915
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:59,760
actual value so for us UAP Society we're

1916
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,260
doing the background work on the tech

1917
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,720
now right I'm not advertising it because

1918
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:05,760
people freak out when I advertise it but

1919
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:07,799
we're building it and so I'm working on

1920
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,420
weekends everything building that stuff

1921
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,520
in the background for when people come

1922
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,260
around okay they will come around it

1923
01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:15,720
will be the future without a doubt it's

1924
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,859
going to be the future because it's

1925
01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:18,600
better it's cheaper it's faster I mean

1926
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,339
it's so it's a new innovation so we'll

1927
01:08:23,329 --> 01:08:22,080
be there we're ready we'll be we'll be

1928
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:23,339
the experts when people show up and

1929
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:24,420
they'll be like have you heard about

1930
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:26,580
this uh nft stuff and be like no we call

1931
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,160
it digital Collectibles uh but we do we

1932
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:30,960
will know it so that that's the idea and

1933
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:34,020
then to use that aim it at the problem

1934
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:35,819
but we're coming back down from the word

1935
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,859
so let's get back into the kind of last

1936
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,199
part of the the podcast the delayed UAP

1937
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:42,000
report was due out on the 31st of

1938
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,940
October 2023. uh what were your thoughts

1939
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:47,400
on what actually came out uh and were

1940
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:49,020
you surprised you know it was even

1941
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,520
delayed in the first place for as long

1942
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:52,500
as it was

1943
01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:54,299
yeah the report that came out was kind

1944
01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:56,339
of what I expected

1945
01:09:02,030 --> 01:08:59,640
it was so late it was surprising I was

1946
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,040
quite surprised I mean that

1947
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,799
yeah again and there was no real

1948
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,719
nothing happened

1949
01:09:10,269 --> 01:09:07,920
you know

1950
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:10,279
there's no late fee

1951
01:09:14,749 --> 01:09:12,779
there was nothing nothing happened to

1952
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:14,759
them they're just like yeah we'll get

1953
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,440
out this before whenever we want you

1954
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:18,600
know it's just I don't know I was more

1955
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,540
disappointed that it just wasn't taken

1956
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:23,520
more serious you know like they couldn't

1957
01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:26,580
get that level of report I mean

1958
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:28,259
yeah it's not like they gave any

1959
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,359
breakthrough information right they had

1960
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:31,920
to report the numbers there's actually a

1961
01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:34,140
lot of numbers they didn't even report

1962
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,299
you know maybe they reported it to the

1963
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,640
classified yeah uh to the classified but

1964
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:40,799
there's a list you know in the in the

1965
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:42,600
ndaa there's a list of what they're

1966
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,480
required to report it in all of those

1967
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:46,980
things were not in the report that came

1968
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:48,120
out

1969
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,859
so I mean all they gave us was the

1970
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,259
numbers but they did give numbers and

1971
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:54,540
like I said having higher numbers at

1972
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,780
least is indicative of a system that's

1973
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,280
getting information right at least

1974
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,679
they're getting some data and it sounds

1975
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,840
like that the mosul orb came from this

1976
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,980
UAP

1977
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:06,600
area you know it sounds like the Aero

1978
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:09,000
office has this the Aero office the

1979
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,980
arrow I mean don't put office in the

1980
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:12,780
name of your yeah you know like that's

1981
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:15,360
like pen number yeah what's your PIN

1982
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:18,480
number number yeah yeah so they're all

1983
01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:20,580
all domain that that's great I'm glad

1984
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:22,380
they made it all domain so that means

1985
01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:25,860
water space air great and it's still an

1986
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:28,920
A so that's great all domain anomaly

1987
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:30,600
resolution office

1988
01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:32,460
so Arrow that's a great name actually

1989
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:34,500
just because it sounds good you know

1990
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:36,600
sounds like it has a direction it sounds

1991
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:37,980
quite cool the kids can get on board

1992
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,140
with it on Tech talk yeah

1993
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:41,760
so I guess that that's all I would say

1994
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:44,520
is I was the report was as I thought it

1995
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:48,120
would be I wasn't blown away either way

1996
01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:49,980
um but it was just so late I just

1997
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,199
couldn't believe it though yeah I think

1998
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,420
um Blockbuster took late fees more uh

1999
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:55,679
seriously than than the government

2000
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:57,300
seemed to but there'll be reasons for

2001
01:11:02,630 --> 01:10:59,580
that I am sure but I wonder then looking

2002
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,640
more positively what do you hope we can

2003
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:05,280
see in future reports because what I'll

2004
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:07,980
and I hate to BS you know sympathetic to

2005
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:10,199
it being so late and maybe it being as

2006
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:12,179
lacking as it was but it was what I

2007
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:13,800
expected as well

2008
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,140
they've now had several changes of

2009
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,480
office we've had you know aim song and

2010
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,760
then arrow and we've had to change from

2011
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,380
who originally was drafting the report

2012
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,260
and then changed we've now got Dr Sean

2013
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,420
Patrick in team who only had really a

2014
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:28,560
couple of months to put it together

2015
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,739
properly they now have had extra time

2016
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:33,840
they had that initial delayed report

2017
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:37,020
should we be expecting more from the

2018
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:39,780
unclassified verses going forward or is

2019
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:41,460
this just a standard we're going to see

2020
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:44,880
from any unclassified report

2021
01:11:49,970 --> 01:11:47,520
I mean I I hope not because again if you

2022
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,980
look into that what was required I mean

2023
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:51,540
this first report I get it yeah it was a

2024
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,860
couple months

2025
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:54,480
all they had to do was get the numbers

2026
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:56,460
out there and say some basic stuff which

2027
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:57,420
is what they said we're starting

2028
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:59,400
essentially I think they could have done

2029
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:00,840
it on time

2030
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:03,000
but no there should be a lot more so if

2031
01:12:08,030 --> 01:12:05,219
you look at what's required there should

2032
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,040
be some analysis you know analysis of of

2033
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:10,080
the unknowns is what I would like to see

2034
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:12,659
is how many of these and for this report

2035
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,940
they focused on what they knew right

2036
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,340
they focus on well we've identified 53

2037
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:20,400
you know 53 of the reports now I want to

2038
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:22,440
see just on okay

2039
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,659
what have we not identified you know and

2040
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,760
then a breakout of what is identified of

2041
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,800
course but then focusing on those

2042
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:30,360
unidentifieds

2043
01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:32,280
yeah it's like going through an exam at

2044
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:34,140
school and your teacher telling you look

2045
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:37,020
30 of the exam you got wrong oh but I

2046
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:38,520
passed you're dead yeah but there's 30

2047
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:41,400
you failed yeah but 70 let's focus on

2048
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:42,659
the good stuff and then I can work on

2049
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:44,280
the rest and they've obviously done that

2050
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:46,199
at the flip side so

2051
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,120
the the numbers were also already

2052
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:49,920
clearly available somewhere because

2053
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:51,900
Julian Barnes wrote his New York Times

2054
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:55,440
article now back in November I think

2055
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:57,900
so he was privy to what those numbers

2056
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,300
were going to be it just didn't then

2057
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:02,400
come out and it's kind of full

2058
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,400
full version until the till the January

2059
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:07,140
I mean God I say this is the third of

2060
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,460
February so it's only been out a couple

2061
01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:11,280
of weeks but for me I'm hopeful that you

2062
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,900
see those future reports give us

2063
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:14,460
something more and like you say it was

2064
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:16,620
part of the requirements something else

2065
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,540
that we're hopeful for this year and we

2066
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,640
keep hearing we'll hear a lot in this

2067
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,040
topic is that there will hopefully be

2068
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:26,640
whistleblowers lining up to testify and

2069
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:28,500
again Jeremy Corby I would George nap

2070
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:31,080
and others have alluded to there are

2071
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:33,000
people ready to go is that something you

2072
01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:34,260
have heard yourself from anyone you

2073
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:36,179
talked to and again what what do you

2074
01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:37,560
hope could come from what subblowers

2075
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:39,480
coming forward

2076
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:41,460
I've tried to get more info on on

2077
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,100
whistleblowers you know I know of

2078
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:46,800
just a couple people in my network that

2079
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,140
have been asked to go speak I don't know

2080
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:50,880
if they're going to I hope I hope they

2081
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:52,739
do

2082
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,560
that the government trusts us

2083
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,659
a little bit more you know it's it

2084
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,120
doesn't need to be this we can't share

2085
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:04,920
anything and and they don't know

2086
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,080
everything right obviously they could

2087
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,840
save a lot of time and effort by

2088
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,219
throwing this information out to the

2089
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:13,199
community and let us do the analysis

2090
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:16,140
right you don't have the resources great

2091
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:18,900
publish the information and guess who's

2092
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:20,460
very interested in finding this stuff

2093
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,920
out and analyzing it you know is the

2094
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:24,719
community right so maybe they could also

2095
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,300
consider the community as not just the

2096
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,880
the enemy okay we're not just

2097
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:31,920
they could also consider us as part of

2098
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:35,159
the team right that we we want to find

2099
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:37,080
the issue and I just went to the

2100
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:39,480
European space conference that was last

2101
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:42,540
last week EU space conference and the

2102
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:44,219
big thing there is about this this

2103
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,620
threat narrative again you know because

2104
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,080
how do governments get people interested

2105
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,120
how do governments get people involved

2106
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:54,000
and it's usually through emotion you

2107
01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:56,100
know if you look at it and they're going

2108
01:15:00,530 --> 01:14:57,960
with the fear emotion because it's it's

2109
01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:00,540
the easiest okay yeah you Russia is

2110
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,679
right there Russia is going to attack

2111
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,360
Europe they they knock down our

2112
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,000
satellite system this is a great fear

2113
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:09,000
tactic to get people talking about space

2114
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:11,100
investing in space they even mentioned

2115
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,260
it at the at the conference they said

2116
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:15,060
hey fear is a great motivator great

2117
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,159
emotion we need people interested

2118
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:18,960
and I just think this is not the right

2119
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,060
way to go okay we it doesn't need to be

2120
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:23,760
a threat narrative I so I propose is

2121
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:26,280
what about a collaborative narrative

2122
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:28,620
okay we all want to know what this

2123
01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:30,540
unidentified area you know what these

2124
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,699
anomalous objects are we all want to

2125
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:34,800
know what the phenomena is every country

2126
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,420
uh would like to know if you look in the

2127
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:38,820
U.S it's bipartisan it's like the one

2128
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,940
bipartisan kind of issue right where it

2129
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:43,920
hasn't been taken over by the left or

2130
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:46,260
the right so I think

2131
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,120
I would hope they would consider it more

2132
01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:50,280
of a collaboration whereas look you're

2133
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,960
in the government that I worked in the

2134
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:52,800
government

2135
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:55,260
but you want the best for the citizens

2136
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,199
and the Earth ultimately right I as

2137
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:00,480
Citizens as members of Earth I want the

2138
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:03,239
best as well why not consider us as part

2139
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:04,380
of the team so I think they could

2140
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:06,060
release a little bit more I mean they

2141
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:07,380
didn't release one

2142
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,199
out of those 563 or whatever reports it

2143
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:12,960
was they didn't release one freaking

2144
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,140
report you know nothing no data no

2145
01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:18,300
information nothing they just set up

2146
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:20,520
there in their Ivory Tower they released

2147
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:23,219
their report two months late with no

2148
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:25,260
apologies or anything like here you go

2149
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:27,540
and they told us no information you know

2150
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:28,920
so I guess

2151
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,560
another reason I just don't

2152
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:33,840
they're not even kind of in my venue you

2153
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:35,640
know I I look at it or research the

2154
01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:37,320
stuff they're at and I'm glad people

2155
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,480
like Jeremy Corbell and them are out

2156
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:41,040
there doing it because I'm not I'm not

2157
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:43,620
going you know I'm like I said I want to

2158
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,020
go build the systems put them out Mount

2159
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,420
Wilson Ranch put it right under you know

2160
01:16:52,010 --> 01:16:50,460
put it out at Catalina Islands you know

2161
01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:52,020
put a camera right there all the hot

2162
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:54,840
spots and then just post it online and

2163
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,820
then you know text that link to the

2164
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:59,040
government and be like here you go you

2165
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:01,020
know like what about this you know

2166
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,640
that's what I would rather show I would

2167
01:17:06,189 --> 01:17:04,500
rather show evidence and be like why

2168
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:06,199
don't we look at this as a group

2169
01:17:10,430 --> 01:17:08,340
collaboratively you know can we work

2170
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:10,440
together and I I presented that to the

2171
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,600
European space conference and the direct

2172
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:14,820
right to the esa director of Industry

2173
01:17:20,209 --> 01:17:17,760
that I just talked to him and man he was

2174
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:20,219
not interested you know yeah it does

2175
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,500
to them it's

2176
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:24,239
it's something that couldn't possibly

2177
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,340
happen if I don't

2178
01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:28,320
so and I think that's why it's important

2179
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,560
groups like like UAP Society individuals

2180
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:33,840
corporations whether it's the Galileo

2181
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:35,580
project whether it's MoveOn I was

2182
01:17:38,810 --> 01:17:36,620
talking to

2183
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:38,820
uapx and what they're trying to do

2184
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,440
through like a tear in the sky and

2185
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:42,600
whatnot that these things are happening

2186
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:45,960
because as much as I see some folks on

2187
01:17:50,510 --> 01:17:48,080
social media some some kind of bigger

2188
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:50,520
thinkers or influencers or whoever you

2189
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:52,260
want to see and they do some great work

2190
01:17:56,030 --> 01:17:54,540
but the idea that this can't go we ever

2191
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,040
again we're on the precipice of

2192
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:58,800
disclosure and it's like well I don't

2193
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:00,659
see the evidence for that not to say

2194
01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:02,340
we're not making a lot of progress but

2195
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:04,500
this could get shut down because the

2196
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:07,380
public swell of Interest isn't there for

2197
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:09,179
like you say that that mainstream public

2198
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,400
interest while it gathers Pace at times

2199
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:13,500
it goes up and down it's like people

2200
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,440
always classically say wrestling WWF has

2201
01:18:20,209 --> 01:18:18,239
its swings in popularity where you had

2202
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:20,219
like the Hulk Hogan era and then it goes

2203
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,900
away then like Steve Austin in the Rock

2204
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:23,760
and then it goes away then John Cena and

2205
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,280
it goes away in the UFO topic I've seen

2206
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,080
not just in the last couple of years

2207
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,000
where there's Peaks and troughs of

2208
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:31,920
interest for the mainstream and it

2209
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,540
doesn't hold on we had a couple of

2210
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:35,280
months back when the initial report was

2211
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:37,860
due to come out we had the HBO series

2212
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:41,760
with um our JJ Abrams put out the UFO

2213
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,739
documentary series and there was a

2214
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:45,600
couple of things and it went away again

2215
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,100
and I think that's why it's important

2216
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,719
people keep it at the Forefront of

2217
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:51,360
conversation and keep doing the work as

2218
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,100
well because

2219
01:18:57,229 --> 01:18:54,960
I don't see the evidence at the public

2220
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:57,239
interest as they are especially from a

2221
01:19:00,110 --> 01:18:58,620
UK point of view

2222
01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,120
um it's still not there

2223
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:02,159
um and from Portugal I know you're doing

2224
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:03,960
some work with the Portuguese one of the

2225
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:05,340
newspapers aren't you locally you write

2226
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:07,620
articles for them how do you find them

2227
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:10,679
Portugal the UFO topic is right now

2228
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:14,100
it seems like well Portugal is is uh

2229
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,600
kind of in the Latin Market with

2230
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:17,280
Portuguese you know with the Brazilian

2231
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:19,080
Spanish yeah and they're much more into

2232
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:20,699
ovens

2233
01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:22,440
you know they call it of nice instead of

2234
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:25,500
UFOs it just seems like a

2235
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,179
more open part of their culture actually

2236
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,239
in South America and even in Portugal

2237
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:32,640
Spain you know they have a long-running

2238
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:35,520
at least Spain has long-running uh UFO

2239
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:38,520
shows you know weekly UFO shows so I

2240
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:40,500
think in the English-speaking

2241
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:44,340
countries it's still kind of late uh so

2242
01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:46,920
it is more advanced I think in um in

2243
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,659
Latin America and in

2244
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:50,400
at least Spain here in Europe and

2245
01:19:53,209 --> 01:19:51,480
Portugal

2246
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,219
which is always really good to hear and

2247
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,620
hola to anyone in Portugal Spain or

2248
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:56,880
Latin American countries who are

2249
01:20:01,370 --> 01:19:58,980
listening that's the extent of my any of

2250
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:01,380
my kind of Spanish language ability I

2251
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:03,960
barely speak English to be fair so Chris

2252
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,400
I want to finish off because you've been

2253
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:06,719
really good with your time and with a

2254
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:08,280
couple of listener questions both of

2255
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,380
them quite different I'll start with um

2256
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:12,719
Gary Gary wants to know does Chris have

2257
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:15,659
any thoughts on why UF UFOs are

2258
01:20:20,450 --> 01:20:18,420
sometimes reported to fly information we

2259
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,460
had we've touched on Ryan Graves and he

2260
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:22,080
talks about those spheres inside of

2261
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:22,980
Cubes

2262
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:24,900
that were in front of their gimbal

2263
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:27,480
apparently and a v-like formation any

2264
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:30,120
thoughts on that

2265
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:32,340
yeah I guess I have two different ideas

2266
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,920
or thoughts that came to mind um the

2267
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,239
first is if you think of like Phoenix

2268
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:38,159
Lights

2269
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:39,719
um that's an interesting case because

2270
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:42,960
you have these wide like balls of light

2271
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:45,540
essentially but flying in a locked

2272
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:47,880
formation you know basically just lock

2273
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,100
step together almost like a part of the

2274
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,380
same giant craft and so that's what a

2275
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:54,659
lot of people reported is that it was a

2276
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:57,179
big V and we could see the lights but

2277
01:21:03,410 --> 01:20:59,580
but actually around the lights was a

2278
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,420
craft a giant Boomerang shaped craft so

2279
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:05,280
the first thought would be

2280
01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:07,980
you know are these parts of the engines

2281
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,260
that we could see is it some sort of

2282
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:13,199
part of the technology that you know

2283
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,900
moves the craft envelops The Craft

2284
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,760
same thing with turkey UFO they seem to

2285
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:19,199
have like these kind of weird lights

2286
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:20,340
because you always hear about these

2287
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:22,679
balls of light like we like we talked

2288
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:23,820
about earlier

2289
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:27,179
and that goes back to also Berkshire UFO

2290
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,820
Berkshire UFO Martin Willis did a great

2291
01:21:33,649 --> 01:21:31,560
great show on that one of the first ones

2292
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:33,659
I kind of looked into

2293
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,940
on that there's a case where this guy's

2294
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:37,920
he's Crossing like a bridge with his car

2295
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:40,440
and he looks over as a family this is

2296
01:21:45,290 --> 01:21:43,080
before they get abducted essentially

2297
01:21:47,149 --> 01:21:45,300
and he sees just a light there's just

2298
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:47,159
like a ball of light following them you

2299
01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:49,260
know along with their car right

2300
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:51,239
and then he stops and he looks over

2301
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,920
again instead of a ball of light being

2302
01:21:57,649 --> 01:21:55,440
there there is this giant ship you know

2303
01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:57,659
like a giant spaceship

2304
01:22:02,209 --> 01:21:59,580
so like stories like that again

2305
01:22:03,709 --> 01:22:02,219
anecdotal all this stuff you know with a

2306
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,719
grain of salt Etc

2307
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:05,520
but stories like that show that maybe

2308
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:08,640
it's it's just what we see is the the

2309
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:10,920
orb so we just see that ball of light

2310
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:13,020
but it's really kind of like a portal or

2311
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:14,940
it's like a door

2312
01:22:18,770 --> 01:22:16,679
um or it's or it's just like the engine

2313
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:18,780
you know like we only see the exhaust of

2314
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:20,760
the engine yeah yeah you can only see an

2315
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,620
infrared or something

2316
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,480
and so like the next of the CR the rest

2317
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:26,400
of the craft is being is being hidden

2318
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:28,980
that's the first thought and then

2319
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:30,960
the second thought you hear about is

2320
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:33,600
these things seem to fly almost like

2321
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:35,219
organic entities

2322
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:37,320
you know if I've thought before if you

2323
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:40,560
had life if you could have plasma based

2324
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:41,460
life

2325
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,480
chemistry Etc but based on plasma energy

2326
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,640
right the fourth state of matter

2327
01:22:55,570 --> 01:22:52,800
then could these be some sort of just

2328
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,580
space life forms you know like a space

2329
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,900
insect you know something flying around

2330
01:23:02,209 --> 01:23:00,000
and that's really fast seem to fly like

2331
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:02,219
insects together

2332
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,620
interesting yeah I know Dan who comes on

2333
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:06,480
the podcast regular and the work he's

2334
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:07,980
doing with Vinnie Adams and Ash Kelly

2335
01:23:12,169 --> 01:23:10,440
and others and uh phenomenology they're

2336
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:12,179
going back out to Colombia this April

2337
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:14,219
where they're looking at you know uh

2338
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:16,260
potential these these balls of lightning

2339
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,460
and

2340
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:20,159
are these similar forms of life you know

2341
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,140
is this what part of this phenomena

2342
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:24,239
could be and like you say it's just we

2343
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:26,640
we stick to life being our chemistry and

2344
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,020
I always wonder we hear about other

2345
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:30,000
planets being inhospitable to life you

2346
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:31,860
know oh it's a gas planet or its lesson

2347
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:34,199
yeah well for us maybe but what about

2348
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,600
like you say other forms of potential

2349
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:38,699
life being being formed on those planets

2350
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,440
so yeah interesting thanks for the

2351
01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:43,620
answer and uh bikir asks and you touched

2352
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,000
on this a little bit before to be honest

2353
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:46,800
Chris what does Chris think about the

2354
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:49,080
idea of humans being the neural network

2355
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:52,020
of a bigger organism's brain call it the

2356
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:53,400
brain of God or the brain of the

2357
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:55,500
universe and he says um Andy I'm sure

2358
01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:57,120
you can word it better but I've left it

2359
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,199
in his own words because I think that's

2360
01:24:02,990 --> 01:24:00,719
perfectly fine big here so thank you

2361
01:24:05,689 --> 01:24:03,000
excellent yeah I love that idea like I

2362
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:05,699
said that's um the third part of my

2363
01:24:10,729 --> 01:24:09,060
kind of uh show uh my channel is on the

2364
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,739
theory of everything and it's really a

2365
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:12,719
scalar view of the universe

2366
01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:16,500
that we are it's basically that patterns

2367
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,699
uh

2368
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:20,159
emerge at different sizes if you can

2369
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:22,140
think of it that way it's not that

2370
01:24:28,669 --> 01:24:25,679
necessarily we're inside of a larger

2371
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:28,679
brain I guess it is that

2372
01:24:33,709 --> 01:24:31,500
the structure that allows our brain to

2373
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,719
that allows us to think the physical

2374
01:24:39,290 --> 01:24:36,719
structure that we see is very similar to

2375
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:39,300
the physical structure we see for the

2376
01:24:44,209 --> 01:24:41,940
greater Universe right so I I think of

2377
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:44,219
it more as a

2378
01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:45,300
um

2379
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:49,080
uh what they do in basically

2380
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,100
by by action we we relate to neurons in

2381
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,199
your brain right we we fulfill the same

2382
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,080
role as a neuron in your brain so in

2383
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,239
that in that sense to me it seems very

2384
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:02,580
obvious that we are in a much larger

2385
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:06,480
system right and we terms you know we

2386
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,060
call systems organized systems of Life

2387
01:25:13,550 --> 01:25:12,000
organisms so in that case it seems very

2388
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,560
obvious to me that

2389
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:16,800
where each in our own systems and since

2390
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:18,659
everything on Earth at least I know

2391
01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:21,239
about is organic uh I would also call it

2392
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:23,940
an organism so to me it seems like

2393
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:26,520
everything's living and breathing on the

2394
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:28,860
planet we just if it's not human we

2395
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:30,900
don't think it's really alive or that we

2396
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,540
uh that it's that it's nature but I

2397
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:35,340
think that's yeah totally agree with

2398
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:44,149
noodle network of a bigger organism and

2399
01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:45,360
what's the point in coming into work

2400
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:46,679
nine to five tomorrow I'm going to take

2401
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:48,900
the day just to chill and and be a be a

2402
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:50,280
neuron

2403
01:25:55,970 --> 01:25:52,260
that's one of the arguments for you know

2404
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:55,980
of existence is that if you have a

2405
01:26:00,169 --> 01:25:57,659
system right

2406
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:00,179
then it would make sense at all

2407
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:02,699
different levels of organization to have

2408
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:03,900
feedback

2409
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:08,100
and so you can make an argument that

2410
01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:11,159
that is what Consciousness is is that

2411
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:13,320
it's the entire system

2412
01:26:20,030 --> 01:26:17,219
uh having Observer feedback loops so

2413
01:26:21,770 --> 01:26:20,040
like you and me we're here in a

2414
01:26:23,870 --> 01:26:21,780
conscious environment

2415
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:23,880
seeing around and saying this sucks you

2416
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:26,040
know like this is messed up I want to

2417
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,440
fix this system uh why I want to make it

2418
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:30,480
more efficient I want to remove evil I

2419
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:32,520
want to remove pain and suffering

2420
01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:35,820
so I think it could be argued that we

2421
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:37,800
are like um

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Observer observers for a larger feedback

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and that would be where Consciousness is

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01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:49,560
well Crest we have went around the

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01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:51,179
houses on this one which has been great

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01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,920
it's been been all over but I love that

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and I've crammed a lot into almost an

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01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:56,820
hour and a half is there anything you

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01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:58,500
want to plug that you're working on all

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01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:59,880
the links for your stuff are going to be

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01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:01,560
in the description to the podcast anyway

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01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:03,960
but watch to come on your channel over

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the next coming weeks and months

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I wanted to just relay one last point

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was I think the key difference now

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01:27:15,050 --> 01:27:12,960
between the past you know so why why

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01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:15,060
should we keep doing this why why am I

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01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:16,199
optimistic that we'll get any

2439
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:19,380
information is it the technology right

2440
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,639
we're at a totally different time now

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01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,520
I'm talking to you real time right oh

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01:27:28,129 --> 01:27:26,280
you know for free essentially video chat

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01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:28,139
and you'll publish this out within a

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01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,060
week essentially

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01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:32,639
so we have this now new access to

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01:27:36,169 --> 01:27:34,380
technology where I'm linked directly to

2447
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:36,179
you I don't have to go to anyone else I

2448
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,260
don't have to go the government we do

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01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:39,360
have YouTube or whatever uh whatever

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01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:48,530
yeah it seems to be working well and so

2451
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:50,760
I would say now we have decentralized

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01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:52,560
technology you know and that's the big

2453
01:27:56,750 --> 01:27:54,300
thing so for me I'm working on building

2454
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:56,760
that web3 how can we

2455
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:59,400
how can we use that technology the the

2456
01:28:04,129 --> 01:28:01,800
best like on the bleeding edge right up

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01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:04,139
ahead of government right we're gonna I

2458
01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:05,340
want to be ahead of what the government

2459
01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:08,100
people can even understand

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01:28:12,649 --> 01:28:10,679
um so that we can leverage that and and

2461
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,659
so for that it's Mount Wilson Ranch it's

2462
01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:15,840
Sky 360 and UAP Society so that's really

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01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:18,179
what what I'm focusing on uh but yeah

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01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:19,440
they can just watch it the YouTube

2465
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:21,780
channel check out our other UAP Society

2466
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:23,460
Channel we're trying to grow that to its

2467
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:26,040
own kind of organization and yeah it's

2468
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,360
great thanks for having me on Andy

2469
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,040
anytime and please if you haven't

2470
01:28:33,649 --> 01:28:31,199
already check out Chris's Channel and

2471
01:28:35,390 --> 01:28:33,659
the UAP Society Channel as well links in

2472
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:35,400
the description thanks for listening and

2473
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:37,139
if you've come over from Chris's channel

2474
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,480
to listen to me talk to Chris thank you

2475
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:41,280
very much hopefully you stick around as

2476
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:43,500
well and hopefully Chris it's not a year

2477
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:45,000
before you're back on again so look

2478
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,560
forward to speaking again soon look

2479
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,719
forward to me thank you that is all for

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01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,639
this week's show thank you very much for

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01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,620
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keep looking up you never know what you

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they thought this was noise

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